Adding fuel to the fire

[Wiseman]

Looks like someone wants attention...negative attention that is.

http://news.yahoo.com/french-mag-pub...opstories.html

[1stindoor]

Good on 'em.

[fng13]

Pretty sad that a French left-wing magazine has more balls then most western publications put together.

According to the article they have already been bombed for a prior insult to "the prophet."

ETA: Order is restored. The french government already plans to surrender 20 of their embassies to the offended

http://news.yahoo.com/french-mag-pub...opstories.html

[CPTAUSRET]

We'll be in Paris about that time...

[Barbarian]

We'll be in Paris about that time...

I would seriously reconsider that trip.

[CPTAUSRET]

Originally Posted by Barbarian

I would seriously reconsider that trip.

Understood...

[Dozer523]

I am reminded of the scene in Night at the Museum; Ben Stiler and the monkey are taking turns slapping each other. Teddy Roosevelt asks Stiler,
"Who has evolved?"

Apparantly "evolving" or accepting having "evolved" are not options in this case either. Islam does not have a way to move forward from the final words of the Prophet and the West can find no further tolerance and now deliberatly acts to provoke.

It is a sad situation.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

........ Islam does not have a way to move forward from the final words of the Prophet and the West can find no further tolerance and now deliberatly acts to provoke.

It is a sad situation.

Does "the West" only provoke Islam or does the west as a whole provoke just about everything and anybody?

I think it is the west that has overall tolerance while it is Islam that has very little tolerance.

When is the next gay pride parade in Cairo?

[Hand]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

I am reminded of the scene in Night at the Museum; Ben Stiler and the monkey are taking turns slapping each other. Teddy Roosevelt asks Stiler,
"Who has evolved?"

Apparantly "evolving" or accepting having "evolved" are not options in this case either. Islam does not have a way to move forward from the final words of the Prophet and the West can find no further tolerance and now deliberatly acts to provoke.

It is a sad situation.

QP Dozer, we provide the most tolerant society in existence. Here muslims can do what they want, as can flag burners, Christ pissers, Bible burners, gays, lesbians, tin foil hat wearers, survivalists and hoarders. Are you suggesting that it is somehow our responsibility to censor our own free speech in order to appease a specific group of people in other countries? If so, I assert that even IF we did that, they would hate us just as much and would simply find some other 'thing' to be offended about and use that as justification for murder. Furthermore, what does that say about us? If we censor ourselves in this regard, are we not admitting to the world that our belief in our own rights is secondary to not offending muslims?

[MR2]

Originally Posted by Pete

When is the next gay pride parade in Cairo?

During the next embassy change of ambassador ceremony...

[Razor]

Originally Posted by CPTAUSRET

We'll be in Paris about that time...

Perhaps a visit to Normandy instead? The calvados should be flowing this time of year.

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by Pete

Does "the West" only provoke Islam or does the west as a whole provoke just about everything and anybody?

I think it is the west that has overall tolerance while it is Islam that has very little tolerance.

When is the next gay pride parade in Cairo?

As a matter of public policy I don't think Westerners go about trying to provoke but, we do tolerate provocative behavior by individuals and we damn the cost.
This article sites evidence that there is a significant "tolerant" population within Islam. According to the author, violent protests erupted in only 9% of Islamic countries http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-215_162-...-the-violence/

" In fact, the majority of Muslim countries did remember the message of Islam, and in fact upheld the example of the Prophet. The reality is that only seven (Egypt, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran, Malaysia, Indonesia and Libya) out of the 57 members of the Organization of Islamic Countries experienced violence. That is only 9 percent. Not to mention the large Muslim populations in non-member states, such as the U.S., UK, and China, also responded with restraint.)

I think the data is escewed high since Iran is one of the erupted countries and they erupt any time they can at the US.
I will also state, although 91% is an A- in my Algebra class I probably would have deducted significantly if the grade was accompanied by fatalities.

As for the gay pride parade in Cairo, what do you care? Did you get a new dress? Ohhhh luv it! Just kidding., really.

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by Hand

QP Dozer, we provide the most tolerant society . . .
Are you suggesting that it is somehow our responsibility to censor our own free speech in order to appease a specific group of people in other countries?
If so, I assert that even IF we did that, they would hate us just as much and would simply find some other 'thing' to be offended about and use that as justification for murder. Furthermore, what does that say about us? If we censor ourselves in this regard, are we not admitting to the world that our belief in our own rights is secondary to not offending muslims?

I am not suggesting, wait I am, no I don't think so . . . WELL! I don't beat my wife so I haven't stopped. (ie. When did you stop beating your wife?)
I am not suggesting we have a public, law-based policy of censorship. We HAVE Evolved! I am suggesting we as individuals take responsibility to censor ourselves; at least tell the truth, at least examine our motives especially if the motivation is merely to hurt someone else because here we can. The First Amendment arguement in this situation doesn't make it very far in a Principal's office and my Momma always said "Be nice or be quiet".

I'm not a big fan of appeasement but I'm on the side of politeness (especially if meanness gets people killed unnecessarily).
They might hate us less or the same or more. But, they would be in a less tenable moral position if -- as indiviuals -- we held to our morale fall-back position of "Do unto Others blah, blah, blah . . ." And as a society we might truely earn the High Road if we called hateful, mean, crap . . . well hateful mean crap instead of Sacred First Amendment Right.

Would someone misuse something to thier own ends. Tough one but . . I ll go with . . . abso-F-ing-lutely right they will. But then they are wrong. And, they don't have the "oh yeah?, well he . . . first" arguement.*

As to what do we "admit" I think all we admit is we are reasonable and responsible . . . that we have evolved.



*I swear to God nothing f's up my Solomon routine at home with the boys like that phrase

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

.......This article sites evidence that there is a significant "tolerant" population within Islam. According to the author, violent protests erupted in only 9% of Islamic countries http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-215_162-...-the-violence/......................

9% Over this issue. Boko Haram was too busy knocking down Saint's tombs to drive to the nearest embassy and do some remodeling.

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by Pete

9% Over this issue. Boko Haram was too busy knocking down Saint's tombs to drive to the nearest embassy and do some remodeling.

It's still an A- Boko can answer to the attendence lady.