Texas Couple Charged with Supplying Ammo to Mexican Cartels

[Team Sergeant]

WOW, it's a good thing the HSI (Homeland Security Investigations), the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the Laredo Police Department caught these hardened criminals. Who knows where that ammo may have ended up!

Or wait, maybe the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and Department of Homeland Security were just infuriated that those individuals were muscling in on their turf?

We know that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security enjoys being the single point purveyor of fine assault weapons to the mexican drug cartels. (And that no one there will go to jail for selling assault rifles to the cartels, even when the murder of a federal agent is involved.)

On second thought, this looks to be a mafia style tactic and the ATF, DHS want to "take out" the low level suppliers before they become as big a supplier to the mexican drug cartels as the ATF & DHS?

I don't know about you but I am feeling real cozy knowing that dozens of highly trained federal "special agents" from the ATF and DHS were probably involved in the take down of this "couple". I have no doubt that this situation was far above the criminal fighting capacity of the Laredo Police Department.

I know my tax dollars are being spent well.

I vote we expend the federal agencies and set up a Federal "Entertainment" Agency, with all the "Special Agents" and all the powers of being a federal agent and we start taking out the small movies producers, bad comedians, non A- List stars etc. We could then go to a movie or stand-up comedy knowing it would always be a hit! We could expand the Federal Entertainment Agency (FEA) to target poor quality television and radio talk shows!

Anyone hear of the DHS apprehending a terrorist lately? Last 5 years? Last ten years?

Yeah, let's spend another 100 billion on worthless federal agencies................. I'm also for disarming all of them except the FBI & DEA.

We need to abolish the DHS and ATF and allow the local governments do their own policing.


Texas Couple Charged with Supplying Ammo to Mexican Cartels

El Paso, Texas – Federal authorities arrested a couple who own a firearms store in Laredo, Texas, for allegedly selling large quantities ammunition that were destined for Mexican drug cartels.
The special agent in charge of Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) in San Antonio, Jerry Robinette, said that the arrests were part of the commitment of U.S. authorities to halt the illegal flow of weapons and ammunition to organized criminal groups in Mexico.
Robert Jacaman Sr. and his wife, Veronica Jacaman, are accused of selling ammunition to undocumented immigrants, among other charges.
The couple are facing 11 federal charges for crimes related to weapons and ammunition trafficking, said Robinette, who added that the prosecution will ask the judge to deny bail.
The charges against the couple include conspiring to provide ammunition and ammo clips to undocumented immigrants, as well as ammunition and an assault rifle to convicted criminals.
The text of the accusation says that from January to July 2012 the couple conspired to sell large amounts of ammunition to an immigrant who was in the country illegally.
The pair are also facing charges for selling a CMMG, Model 4SA semiautomatic rifle to a convicted felon, as well as illegally exporting ammunition for assault weapons to Mexico.
The cartridges, weapons and ammunition were intercepted by the authorities before they reached Mexico.
The investigation was conducted by HSI, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the Laredo Police Department.


Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/new...#ixzz24INm5ynV

I understand that in Mexico they have a surpluss of assault weapons, but not enough ammo. Could be a problem. Kind of a supply and demand thing.

The text of the accusation says that from January to July 2012 the couple conspired to sell large amounts of ammunition to an immigrant who was in the country illegally.

How are we supposed to know he was here illegally? What happened to amnesty? What happened to no profiling, no asking for I.D., no asking citizen status? Everyone is here legally now, right?

[Streck-Fu]

I'm also for disarming all of them except the FBI & DEA.

Why not abolosh the DEA and have those duties absobed into the FBI? If certain really must remain probitied, why have a dedicated law enforcement agency with all the beauracracy that goes with it?

It's not like the DEA actually has succeeded in their mission....

As for the article, lots of information missing....Did the purchaser of the weapon present ID and pass the background check? They cite only one weapon being sold....
There is no ID required or restrictions on buying ammo, how can they be charged?

[Dusty]

What, no Walmarts down there?

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

I know my tax dollars are being spent well.

DHS, FY / In Billions:
03 - 31.2
04 - 35.6
05 - 38.5
06 - 40.4
07 - 42.8
08 - 46.4
09 - 52.7
10 - 56.0
11 - 56.3
12 - 59.7
13 - 59.0 requested

DoJ BATFE payroll $1.1B / ~ 5,000 FT positions
(Big Sis publishes this stuff.)

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

We need to abolish the DHS and ATF and allow the local governments do their own policing.

I'm on-board with that in a NY-f'n instant.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

The cartridges, weapons and ammunition were intercepted by the authorities before they reached Mexico.

Have to put that down in my I'll-Be-Damned book...

[mojaveman]

Let's not talk about this too loudly because the anti Second Ammendment politicians are going to use this incident to stop internet ammo sales as well as unregulated over the counter sales. They tried it in California a few years ago.

[The Reaper]

Putting aside the issue that ammo and mags are not illegal to sell over the counter in any quantities to adults in Texas, how in the world would you know someone is an illegal alien if you are not allowed to ask anyone, including the Feds?

TR

[alelks]

Where else are they supposed to get ammo for all those guns the ATF sent over there?

[Sigaba]

FWIW, a local broadcast news story is available here. The video includes a sound bite from the accused for a previously aired news story.

Profile of judge handling the case is available there. Her professional contact information and schedule can be found here.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by mojaveman

Let's not talk about this too loudly because the anti Second Ammendment politicians are going to use this incident to stop internet ammo sales as well as unregulated over the counter sales. They tried it in California a few years ago.

They're probably gonna take a break, what with this, the success of Proj Gunwalker, and cleaning up that geriatric Waffle House gang. I mean a billion+ salary budget only goes so far and you have to save some for performance awards.

[35NCO]

So the Feds seized all his guns and inventory....now what? Are they going to give them all to the cartel?

I never thought of that before that all the people that have their guns there for gunsmith work, or on layaway cant get any of them back! That is flat out stealing by the feds. Imagine if you had a 10k-20k machine gun on layway. All that money, out the window.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by 35NCO

That is flat out stealing by the feds. Imagine if you had a 10k-20k machine gun on layway. All that money, out the window.

You might get your $200 stamp fee back; after all "it's a tax, not a penalty."

[RB]

As mentioned earlier in this thread, there is NO ID REQUIREMENT to buy ammunition in Texas, so how would the proprietor know WHERE the ammo is going if he's not allowed to ask WHO is buying the ammo?

Appears to me that BATF not only cut out the middleman, but infringed upon the sovereign rights of US citizens trying to make a living. Owning a gun store and selling ammunition are synonymous and are completely legal. Less can and has been said about Fast and Furious.

Expect a lawsuit and a huge settlement.

[35NCO]

Originally Posted by RB

Expect a lawsuit and a huge settlement.

I don't know if that's really going to happen right now or not. They are very much going the ruby ridge/Janet Reno route again. I don't think they really give a crap about the law, or anyone's rights or freedoms. Generally when the ATF does a sting, if the person was a bad guy or good guy, the ATF will spend millions in legal fees trying to put that person in jail, right or wrong. The sad part is, in most of the their past cases, the people prosecuted were in fact innocent people trying to do the right thing. Its easier for them to criminalize innocent people than it is to actually find and prosecute real criminals.

Remember the National Guard soldier with the Semi-auto Olympic AR15 that shot auto with a slam fire malfunction on the range? The ATF spent months trying to prove the weapon could fire full auto all the time. They gave up, and almost closed the case and let the guy go. Then they decided to "try again" with a specially made ammo, that they made, with a very light hit primer. Bingo, they got it to shoot auto, then prosecuted the soldier for "illegal possession and transfer of a machine gun." The ATF fought it so hard, even Olympic arms stepped out on the argument. The point is, the gun did it on a fluke, and unfortunately at the worst time for a cop to hear it at the range. The ATF agent could not prove the gun could do it in the Firearms Technology Branch after testing it. The guy was so pissed off that he could not prosecute the Soldier, he "forcibly made it work". Read the court papers, its crazy stuff.

Its a very dangerous businesses being an FFL these days. SOT/manufacturer is a hell of a lot worse. Importers have all kinds of trouble with the ATF as well. No firearm dealer too big or too small will they not go after.

I know a FFL that nearly went to jail because a firearm was missing from his records during a compliance check. The guys records were immaculate. What "firearm" was it that the ATF found that was not on the records? A damn Crossman BB gun. The ATF agent could not tell the difference between a BB gun and a real gun. It took a lawyer and several months of argument before it was finally figured out that the serial number they had was a BB gun. They would not even tell him which gun they "found" or what it was. Just that he was out of compliance, and he would be seen in court.

I know of another case where a different ATF agent during a compliance check, with a different FFL, nearly brought a guy to court because he had a weapon with "two serial numbers". What were the two serial numbers? A pistol with a laserlyte on it. They read the serial from the laser and the gun, and assumed it was a pistol with two serial numbers. These are the types of people we are talking about here.

With this one of the ammo sales, they claim that he also sold a firearm to a "undercover" felon. Hard to know what really happened there. They claim that was their real reason for the sting. I will wait for the court documents to see what the ATF's real claims and evidence are.

"Seizure is our business" -BATFE motto