07-27-2012, 06:42
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Top 10 Things to Know Prior to Army Special Forces Training
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07-27-2012, 13:13
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I think he missed several points by concentrating too much on the physical side of things.
It does not take a lifetime of preparation to succeed. What it takes is an iron will and resolve to not quit and that is first and foremost.
I think he seriously underestimates the need for a person to understand the bodies warning signs such as hydration and tendonitis so as to avoid injury.
He spends way to much time stressing muscle mass instead of mental acuity. But then the Seals go home halfway through medic training and the SF guys continue on hitting the books for another three months or so.
I don't think he knows how many guys wash out in Holding Company before SFAS.
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07-27-2012, 19:23
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The process has changed since I went through in 1971. Back then it was about 40% physical, 30% field knowledge and 30%, FxxK you, I ain't quittin'.....
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07-27-2012, 19:58
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Stick with what you know
My question is, why is Stew Smith, former Navy SEAL and fitness author, writing about my beloved Selection. Do they not have enough to write about with BUDS? 
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07-28-2012, 05:34
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DB,
It's not personal - it's just business. 
I liked that he had this with the DUI:
Special Forces units perform seven doctrinal missions: Unconventional Warfare, Foreign Internal Defense, Special Reconnaissance, Direct Action, Combatting Terrorism, Counter-proliferation, and Information Operations. These missions make Special Forces unique in the U.S. military, because they are employed throughout the three stages of the operational continuum: peacetime, conflict and war.
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07-30-2012, 20:01
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I was just reading this and was throw off by "Ruck Runs". From what I understand from this web-sight ruck running should not be trained, it should be only used when behind in a timed event. Am I mistaken?
I already am to injury prone, so training safely is paramount to me.
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07-31-2012, 09:57
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The process has changed since I went through in 1971. Back then it was about 40% physical, 30% field knowledge and 30%, FxxK you, I ain't quittin'.....
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But, Mark.... those don't make him any money.... especially the; FU, I ain't quittin' part
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07-31-2012, 10:00
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I was just reading this and was throw off by "Ruck Runs". From what I understand from this web-sight ruck running should not be trained, it should be only used when behind in a timed event. Am I mistaken?
I already am to injury prone, so training safely is paramount to me.
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I would like to know this too. That sounds painful to do on a regular basis.
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07-31-2012, 14:22
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I would like to know this too. That sounds painful to do on a regular basis.
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If you browse through roughly 50-100 threads on this forum, most QP's HIGHLY recommend against it. With proper training you should be able to maintain a 13-14 minute mile pace, thus keeping you within your desired time goals.
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07-31-2012, 16:51
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Why should they bother to search and read, when they can just ask to have it repeated, again, just for them?
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08-01-2012, 12:19
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Why should they bother to search and read, when they can just ask to have it repeated, again, just for them?
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My apologies, I forgot the "You owe me" generation is coming into adulthood.
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08-01-2012, 13:20
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I would like to know this too. That sounds painful to do on a regular basis.
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That's exactly what my Jr. Demo guy said right before I fired him. 
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08-01-2012, 15:13
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From what I understand from this web-sight ruck running should not be trained, it should be only used when behind in a timed event.
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We never practiced any 'ruck running' - however - we constantly practiced 'ruck marching' as a regular part of our fitness program and that usually meant we wound up doing some 'ruck running' part of the time to make the time/distance goals we'd established for ourselves as a team or a unit.
Now y'all can do whatever you like, it's your call, but based on my experiences in Group, trying to take shortcuts with something like this will almost certainly lead to a "But...but...but..." NO GO situation.
Just sayin'...
Richard
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08-02-2012, 13:12
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We never practiced any 'ruck running' - however - we constantly practiced 'ruck marching' as a regular part of our fitness program and that usually meant we wound up doing some 'ruck running' part of the time to make the time/distance goals we'd established for ourselves as a team or a unit.
Now y'all can do whatever you like, it's your call, but based on my experiences in Group, trying to take shortcuts with something like this will almost certainly lead to a "But...but...but..." NO GO situation.
Just sayin'...
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Agreed, but let me add, with shortcut mindsets like that you won't make it past the Gated marches in the SFQC. Not to mention just having to patrol with 90lb rucks in restricted terrain. SF stands for suck fest from what I was told in SFAS. Get used to it.
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08-02-2012, 13:34
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"We never practiced any 'ruck running' - however - we constantly practiced 'ruck marching' as a regular part of our fitness program and that usually meant we wound up doing some 'ruck running' part of the time to make the time/distance goals we'd established for ourselves as a team or a unit." Richard
True, Richard. IIRC< the only time I remember being timed with a ruck sack was a 5 mile with a time limit of 40 minutes in Phase I...
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