Federal Judge Imposes Racial Quota on FDNY........

[greenberetTFS]

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/fede...entrance-exams

Big Teddy

[Surgicalcric]

Originally Posted by cnsnews

The ruling allows back pay -- totaling an estimated $128.7 million -- for minorities who failed written tests.

The court order is a response to a lawsuit alleging that two placement exams (Written Exams 7029 or 2043) for the FDNY were discriminatory against blacks and Hispanics, because fewer minorities passed the exam than whites. (See copies of the exams here.)

I fail to see how it is discrimination when the stupid fucks fail to pass the entrance exam.

[Hand]

Originally Posted by Surgicalcric

I fail to see how it is discrimination when the stupid fucks fail to pass the entrance exam.

I agree with QP Surgicalcric.


Furthermore, is the judge saying that whoever wrote the exams wrote them purposefully in such a way that blacks and hispanics would find them impossible to pass? How is this possible? I can ALMOST sort of, kind of, slightly see how maybe you could write a test that included some weird facet of history that black students typically don't notice, or maybe on some nuance of the English language that isn't widely known, but how do you do this for two complete races of people? And beyond this, wouldn't ANY black or hispanic applicant passing the test negate the assertion that the test was purposefully written to filter blacks and hispanics?



From the article:

“Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits not only intentional discrimination, but also employment practices that appear to be fair in form but are discriminatory in operation,” the Department states in a fact sheet on the FDNY case. “A facially neutral employment practice, such as a written examination, that disproportionately excludes individuals from employment opportunities on the basis of their membership in a protected group, such as a particular race or national origin, and cannot be shown to be related to job performance, violates Title VII.”

Judge Garanufis ruled that any black or Hispanic individual who failed either written exam with a score of 25 out of 100 or higher is eligible to receive place on the priority hiring list as well as damages, including “non-economic damages.”

Non-economic damages are intended to compensate for the “lost intangible benefits of being a firefighter.” The intangible benefits include “prestige, job satisfaction, camaraderie, unique excitement, enjoyment of flexible scheduling, unusual employment stability, feeling of security derived from retiring with a full pension and lifetime medical benefits, and the potential for career advancement.”

WTF?

[sinjefe]

Originally Posted by Hand

I agree with QP Surgicalcric.


Furthermore, is the judge saying that whoever wrote the exams wrote them purposefully in such a way that blacks and hispanics would find them impossible to pass? How is this possible? I can ALMOST sort of, kind of, slightly see how maybe you could write a test that included some weird facet of history that black students typically don't notice, or maybe on some nuance of the English language that isn't widely known, but how do you do this for two complete races of people? And beyond this, wouldn't ANY black or hispanic applicant passing the test negate the assertion that the test was purposefully written to filter blacks and hispanics?



From the article:


WTF?

Glad I don't own a house in New York City.

[Surgicalcric]

Originally Posted by Hand

... I can ALMOST sort of, kind of, slightly see how maybe you could write a test that included some weird facet of history that black students typically don't notice, or maybe on some nuance of the English language that isn't widely known, but how do you do this for two complete races of people? And beyond this, wouldn't ANY black or hispanic applicant passing the test negate the assertion that the test was purposefully written to filter blacks and hispanics?

I can assure you that, at least on the test given in 1995, there aren't any of those type of questions. It is a straight forward test that is not too dissimilar to the ASVAB. Furthermore, having taken 4 civil service tests (Charleston and Greenville, SC; Boston, MA; and FDNY) I remember the FDNY test being the easiest.

This is nothing more than lazy people wanting someone else to blame for their own inadequacies.

Crip

[tonyz]

Look at some of the exam questions - clearly racist.

http://documents.nytimes.com/new-yor...r-examinations

[MR2]

You didn't pass the exam by yourself, you had help (from the court).

It's Bush's fault!


"The Bush Justice Department filed suit against the FDNY in May 2007, challenging the exams that were first administered in 1999 and 2002. In July 2009, Judge Garaufis ruled that New York City had violated Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, and then in 2010 he found the city liable for “intentional discrimination against black applicants,” according to the DOJ.

In a previous ruling, Judge Garaufis accused the FDNY of being a “bastion of white male privilege.”

"While the City's other uniformed services and fire departments across the country have changed to reflect the communities they serve, employment as a New York City firefighter -- arguably 'the best job in the world' -- has remained a stubborn bastion of white male privilege," Garaufis wrote in October 2011."

[BKKMAN]

"Give me the most CAPABLE firefighter. I don't care if it's a 4 foot elderly black lesbian who practices witchcraft with a stutter. If she scores highest on the test and can pass everything else better than the rest of the mob. Give her the job. If she can't, then give it to the next guy or gal, white, Hispanic, martian or other. This affirmative action crap is out of hand!"

And a great link for the new "test" from the comments section:

http://gyazo.com/51b76552471bd8ee4465b8db486f6335

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by WCH

In a previous ruling, Judge Garaufis accused the FDNY of being a “bastion of white male privilege.”

Future Supreme Court nominee.

Originally Posted by Surgicalcric

I fail to see how it is discrimination when the stupid fucks fail to pass the entrance exam.

Are you saying that Blacks, Hispanics, and members other racial minority groups are stupid?


" Fewer than 10 percent of the 11,200 uniformed firefighters in the city are black or Hispanic even though more than half of the city's 8 million residents identify with a racial minority group."

"the department is about 3 percent black in a city where roughly a quarter of the population is black. "

"Evidence cited in the case showed that blacks made up about 14 percent of the Los Angeles Fire Department and about 11 percent of that city’s population; Chicago’s department was about 20 percent black, serving a population about 37 percent black. "



IMO...Somethings rotten in Denmark!

[afchic]

Originally Posted by WCH

Are you saying that Blacks, Hispanics, and members other racial minority groups are stupid?


" Fewer than 10 percent of the 11,200 uniformed firefighters in the city are black or Hispanic even though more than half of the city's 8 million residents identify with a racial minority group."

"the department is about 3 percent black in a city where roughly a quarter of the population is black. "

"Evidence cited in the case showed that blacks made up about 14 percent of the Los Angeles Fire Department and about 11 percent of that city’s population; Chicago’s department was about 20 percent black, serving a population about 37 percent black. "



IMO...Somethings rotten in Denmark!

Maybe those who identify themselves as black in NY don't want to be firefighters. How does that make the test racist?

Women officers are underrepresented in the DOD (compared to their numbers in the civilian population) that doesn't mean DoD is mysogynist, it just means that "most" women have decided not to join the military, and if they do, they "chose" to enlist instead of become officers.

Correlation does not always mean causation.

[echoes]

Originally Posted by Surgicalcric

I fail to see how it is discrimination when the stupid fucks fail to pass the entrance exam.

Very well said Crip!

Holly

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by WCH

Are you saying that Blacks, Hispanics, and members other racial minority groups are stupid?

Equally as stupid as members of racial majorities who fail the test.

[Hand]

Originally Posted by afchic

Maybe those who identify themselves as black in NY don't want to be firefighters. How does that make the test racist?

Women officers are underrepresented in the DOD (compared to their numbers in the civilian population) that doesn't mean DoD is mysogynist, it just means that "most" women have decided not to join the military, and if they do, they "chose" to enlist instead of become officers.

Correlation does not always mean causation.

Amen M'am. Furthermore, I imagine that you would be insulted if you were rewarded for failure, as is the case here:

Judge Garanufis ruled that any black or Hispanic individual who failed either written exam with a score of 25 out of 100 or higher is eligible to receive place on the priority hiring list as well as damages, including “non-economic damages.”

Non-economic damages are intended to compensate for the “lost intangible benefits of being a firefighter.” The intangible benefits include “prestige, job satisfaction, camaraderie, unique excitement, enjoyment of flexible scheduling, unusual employment stability, feeling of security derived from retiring with a full pension and lifetime medical benefits, and the potential for career advancement.”