Homeland Security to Border Patrol: Run and Hide

06-29-2012, 21:38

Latest training tells Border Patrol to run and hide from "active shooter."

They don't really need guns, do they now?

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Border Patrol agents in Arizona are blasting their bosses for telling them, along with all other Department of Homeland Security employees, to run and hide if they encounter an "active shooter."

It's one thing to tell civilian employees to cower under a desk if a gunman starts spraying fire in a confined area, say members of Tucson Local 2544/National Border Patrol Council, but to give armed law enforcement professionals the same advice is downright insulting. The instructions from DHS come in the form of pamphlets and a mandatory computer tutorial.

“We are now taught in an ‘Active Shooter’ course that if we encounter a shooter in a public place we are to ‘run away’ and ‘hide’" union leader Brandon Judd wrote on the website of 3,300-member union local. “If we are cornered by such a shooter we are to (only as a last resort) become ‘aggressive’ and ‘throw things’ at him or her. We are then advised to ‘call law enforcement’ and wait for their arrival (presumably, while more innocent victims are slaughtered)."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/29...#ixzz1zFD4IUwo

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/29...est=latestnews

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Badger52 · 07-05-2012, 12:13

The parent company probably didn't intend that general version of their active-shooter guidelines to get to people who're normally armed. Maybe they should've shared their "If you see something, say something" literature with more folks in the ATF....

The essence of that TP-worthy publication is as described though. Alot of folks who work on military bases are even more irritated than the armed elite since, as Ft Hood showed, "when seconds count the police are minutes away." * If they obeyed the regs their legally owned & carried personal handgun is cleared & locked in the vehicle while they're at work, waiting for the next white-robed purveyor of "workplace violence."

(I've wondered how far Hasan would've gotten in an IDF SRC...)

* not a disparaging of the LE community, it just is what it is.

echoes · 07-05-2012, 12:53

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Originally Posted by Sarski

Latest training tells Border Patrol to run and hide from "active shooter."

They don't really need guns, do they now?

“We are now taught in an ‘Active Shooter’ course that if we encounter a shooter in a public place we are to ‘run away’ and ‘hide’" union leader Brandon Judd wrote on the website of 3,300-member union local. “If we are cornered by such a shooter we are to (only as a last resort) become ‘aggressive’ and ‘throw things’ at him or her. We are then advised to ‘call law enforcement’ and wait for their arrival (presumably, while more innocent victims are slaughtered)."Attachment 22446

Am a civilian, so pardon my ignorance here....but WHY would they issue this decree in an, "Active Shooter" course?

Makes zero sense to me.

Are they, (DHS) just stupid?

Holly

MR2 · 07-05-2012, 12:57

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Originally Posted by echoes

Am a civilian, so pardon my ignorance here....but WHY would they issue this decree in an, "Active Shooter" course?

Makes zero sense to me.

Are they, (DHS) just stupid?

Yes.

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greenberetTFS · 07-05-2012, 13:15

It's absolutely frightening how f**ked up that group is and we owe it all to Janet's brillant leadership.....

Big Teddy

echoes · 07-05-2012, 13:20

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Originally Posted by greenberetTFS

It's absolutely frightening how f**ked up that group is and we owe it all to Janet's brillant leadership...

Big Teddy

Wonder if She has ever even been down to the border? (Taking bets here...)

Wow...just plain wow. What a total and complete disreguard for American lives.

Amazing....

Holly

tonyz · 07-05-2012, 13:24

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Originally Posted by echoes

Wonder if She has ever even been down to the border? (Taking bets here...)

Wow...just plain wow.

Oh, I think Big Sis...never mind.

Wake me when this nightmare is over.

echoes · 07-05-2012, 14:24

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Originally Posted by tonyz

Oh, I think Big Sis...never mind.

Wake me when this nightmare is over.

U.S. Constitution:

Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified* 12/15/1791:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

*(The first ten amendments, commonly known as a group as the Bill of Rights, were all ratified at once. The amendments were proposed on September 25, 1789.))

Seems a very, very slippery slope to me...to circumvent Right to Bear Arms?

Who the f*ck to these people think they are? Am confused again.

**Team Sergeant** · 07-05-2012, 14:58

I remember my training for this sort of active shooter situation: Run to where they are and kill them.

Same advice I'd give to everyone 'cept little kids.

If you're an "adult" and you "run and hide" expect that bullet to the back of the head when you lose the hide and seek game.

TS

echoes · 07-05-2012, 15:09

But...even as a non professionally trained person, (just an SF hanger on) who reads and heeds...I KNOW to go f*ckin attack with whatever is available to me, if me or my sis was threatened.

And we are talking about the Boarders of Our United States of America.

Again...WHY would this training be imposed?

AH! Just got it..........Agenda!!!

Holly

Gypsy · 07-05-2012, 17:37

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Originally Posted by tonyz

Wake me when this nightmare is over.

Sure thing, Rip.

tonyz · 07-05-2012, 17:46

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Originally Posted by Gypsy

Sure thing, Rip.

RIP -

- let's hope not for some time

at least don't kill me off until after the November election!

Still got some fight in me - and notwithstanding the notorious activity of certain dead voter rolls - I'm ABBO and I'm lawfully registered to vote and my ID is GTG !

Gypsy · 07-05-2012, 17:49

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Originally Posted by tonyz

RIP -

- let's hope not for some time

at least don't kill me off until after the November election!

Still got some fight in me - and notwithstanding the notorious activity of certain dead voter rolls - I'm ABBO and I'm lawfully registered to vote and my ID is GTG !

LOL...NOOOOO Rip as in Rip Van Winkle! I didn't type RIP.

tonyz · 07-05-2012, 18:00

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Originally Posted by Gypsy

LOL...NOOOOO Rip as in Rip Van Winkle! I didn't type RIP.

LOL...I do remember good ole Rip.

Sometimes, it does seem like this administration has been in place for twenty years...now, if only another George Washington ascends to office like when Rip woke up - this nap just might have been worth it.

We've gone from "...I cannot tell a lie..." to "..most everything I say is a lie..."

dfirsty · 07-05-2012, 18:03

As much as I can't stand the TSA, I think the BP should share some responsibility in the nonsense taking place. IS-907 is a civilian program, so whoever put this training into place for sworn BP agents is equally stupid.

Lets also not overlook the fact that someone at the Border Patrol though that giving armed, sworn agents active shooter response training via a computer was a good idea.

Derek