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Old 06-26-2012, 12:14   #1
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Stolen Valor Act to make the High Court docket

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I only hope the Court has the guts to rule that this is not allowed under the 1st amendment and these posers can be criminally prosecuted.
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:28   #2
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"California man Xavier Alvarez is challenging a law known as the Stolen Valor Act -- federal legislation that in 2006 made it illegal for people to claim to have won or to wear military medals or ribbons they did not earn. Alvarez was convicted of violating the act in 2007 after he publicly claimed to have won the country's highest military award, the Medal of Honor. Alvarez never served in the military.

Alvarez was sentenced to three years probation, a $5,000 fine and community service, but he and his lawyer appealed the decision, saying that the Stolen Valor Act is unconstitutional -- essentially that it violates a person's right to lie.

"The Stolen Valor Act criminalizes pure speech in the form of bare falsity, a mere telling of a lie," Alvarez's attorney, Jonathan Libby said in February. "It doesn't matter whether the lie was told in a public meeting or in a private conversation with a friend or family member."


Alvarez and ALL those like him can bitch, whine, lie and complain all they want...it is what they do best!

If you lie about being SF, you WILL be found out because those who shed Blood, Sweat, and Tears that are the real thing will hunt you down.

May God have no mercy on his soul, for he has none, IMHO.

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Old 06-26-2012, 15:16   #3
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Casting a wide net

If the law is passed, a great number of people will be redacting their resumes in a hurry....

“Maybe there's an innocent explanation. Maybe he was some kind of intelligence agent, and the Vietnam story is a cover.”




San Antonio Express-News, June 26, 2012
Executive's Military Claims Challenged
By Zeke MacCormack

KERRVILLE — As the U.S. Supreme Court prepares to announce its ruling Thursday on the constitutionality of the Stolen Valor Act, questions have arisen about an oil company executive's claims about his military record.

The act made lying about receiving military awards a federal crime.
Herbert Williamson III has claimed to be a decorated Vietnam veteran and retired colonel from the Army Reserve.

He declined to discuss his military record for this story, citing a federal lawsuit filed against him by a former business partner.

“When the litigation is over, I'll be glad to supply all sorts of information, but not until then,” said Williamson, a Harvard graduate who held executive and consulting posts with numerous energy companies before moving to Kerr County.

In sworn depositions for the lawsuit, he said he was in the Army from 1970 to 1973, rising to the rank of chief warrant officer, second class. He also claimed to have served one year in Vietnam, earning a Distinguished Flying Cross in 1971 as a scout helicopter pilot.

But Connecticut National Guard records indicate he served in that state from January 1971 to August 1972, working as a communications wireman at the rank of private first class.

“Our records don't reflect that he went to Vietnam, or that he received any decorations,” said Lt. Col. Tom Choate of the Connecticut National Guard. He noted that Williamson was honorably discharged when he moved to Maryland, where he joined the Maryland National Guard.

Documentation was similarly lacking to support claims by Williamson, 63, that he was awarded a Purple Heart and served 30 years in the Army Reserve, retiring in 2003.

“I did not find a record for Herbert Williamson having served in the Army or Army Reserve,” said Mark Edwards, media relations chief at the U.S. Army Human Resources Command.

As a professed Vietnam veteran, Williamson has appeared at Hill Country events honoring military personnel, including one in Kimble County in 2010 where he discussed “the impact of the war experience on the development of the young men who served,” according to a news report.

Now chairman of the board of ZaZa Energy Corp., a Texas-based oil and gas exploration and production company, he dismissed the inquiries into his military background as “a fishing expedition” by Richard Ellison, his former partner's prior attorney.

Alleged discrepancies in Williamson's account of his military service prompted Ellison this month to file a stolen valor complaint with the FBI and a perjury complaint with District Attorney Bruce Curry.

The Supreme Court took up the Stolen Valor Act after an appeals court overturned the conviction of Xavier Alvarez, who publicly described himself as a retired Marine and recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor while a public official in California.

While conceding the falsity of those claims, Alvarez said the Stolen Valor Act violates his First Amendment right to free speech. The government argued that the law falls outside First Amendment protections.

The high court's decision is eagerly awaited by veterans groups across the country.

“We're hoping that the Supreme Court ... decides that it's not protected speech,” said Jay Agg, AMVETS national spokesman.

Records provided by the National Personnel Records Center indicate Williamson was in the Army only from March 12, 1971, to July 18, 1971. Those dates correspond with the period that Connecticut National Guard records indicate he was in basic training with the Army.

“I'm very skeptical that he was in Vietnam at all,” Ellison said. “Maybe there's an innocent explanation. Maybe he was some kind of intelligence agent, and the Vietnam story is a cover.”

Asked Monday about the apparent inconsistencies, Williamson said, “There are other things you are unaware of that I can't comment on.”

His lawyer, Richard Mosty, suggested that Williamson may be unable to speak about his service because of its being classified.

Williamson appeared in “The Complete Marquis Who's Who” in 2009 as having received a Bronze Star and Purple Heart in Vietnam in 1971.

The publication's editor, Fred Marks, said its records indicate the information was submitted before 1993 by Williamson, who verified it in a prepublication proof.

Williamson's name was not on lists of recipients of those medals that are maintained by private groups, but the websites say their records are incomplete.

A corporate profile on Williamson posted last year by Toreador Resources Corp. described him as “a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and a recently retired colonel in the U.S. Army Reserve with military intelligence and civil affairs command positions.”

From what he's seen, Ellison said, “It's not true.”

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/mil...ed-3662148.php
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Old 06-26-2012, 16:15   #4
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"California man Xavier Alvarez is challenging a law known as the Stolen Valor Act -- federal legislation that in 2006 made it illegal for people to claim to have won or to wear military medals or ribbons they did not earn. Alvarez was convicted of violating the act in 2007 after he publicly claimed to have won the country's highest military award, the Medal of Honor. Alvarez never served in the military.

Alvarez was sentenced to three years probation, a $5,000 fine and community service, but he and his lawyer appealed the decision, saying that the Stolen Valor Act is unconstitutional -- essentially that it violates a person's right to lie.

"The Stolen Valor Act criminalizes pure speech in the form of bare falsity, a mere telling of a lie," Alvarez's attorney, Jonathan Libby said in February. "It doesn't matter whether the lie was told in a public meeting or in a private conversation with a friend or family member."


Alvarez and ALL those like him can bitch, whine, lie and complain all they want...it is what they do best!

If you lie about being SF, you WILL be found out because those who shed Blood, Sweat, and Tears that are the real thing will hunt you down.

May God have no mercy on his soul, for he has none, IMHO.

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This is all that needs to be said.......

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Old 06-28-2012, 08:11   #5
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Stolen Volor overturned

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Unfortunately they overturned the Stolen Valor Act as it is currently written. That means it will have to be redrafted and repassed through Congress.
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:48   #6
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And we thought there were alot of posers before.....
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Old 06-28-2012, 10:02   #7
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Personally, I always thought the SVA, although well intentioned, was poorly written but correctable.

It pisses me off, though, that somebody like Alvarez can get away with lying his way through life like that.

And so it goes...

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Old 06-28-2012, 10:13   #8
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This is all that needs to be said..

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He claims MOH status and that's OK!!!!!!!..............

The U.S. Supreme Court today affirmed a California case in which the 9th Circuit held that a statute setting criminal penalties for misrepresenting one's military record was unconstitutional. The so-called "stolen valor" case concerned an elected official who'd falsely claimed to be a Medal of Honor recipient........

WTF is happening in our Country that shit like this is tolerated..........


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Old 06-28-2012, 10:40   #9
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Did I ever tell you guys about my time as a Supreme Court Justice? There we were, up to our knees in paperclips...

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Did I ever tell you guys about my time as a Supreme Court Justice? There we were, up to our knees in paperclips...

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Weren't you awarded the Silver Stapler for that action?
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Weren't you awarded the Silver Stapler for that action?
Well, maybe I did and maybe I didn't . It was a Black Robes Op, you see. Hush-Hush Ultra stuff.

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I love this comment on one of the news stories...
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Now that the esteemed arbiters of our Constitution have made it permissable to lie about one's military valor perhaps they will now consider it a permissable "expression of free speech" for a veteran to beat up a liar.
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With the current SCOTUS, what's right is wrong and what's wrong is right.
The Country's going to shit at breakneck pace.

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The Country's going to shit at breakneck pace.

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[COLOR="Lime"]Personally, I always thought the SVA, although well intentioned, was poorly written but correctable.
How would you have corrected it? Would these corrections help a different version of the SVA pass SCOTUS vetting?
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