05-03-2012, 18:23
|
#1
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Red State
Posts: 3,774
|
Military commanders warned to get troops in line
__________________
Don't mess with old farts...age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill! Bullshit and brilliance only come with age and experience.
|
|
BMT (RIP) is offline
|
|
|
05-03-2012, 18:36
|
#2
|
|
Guerrilla Chief
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Ft Benning
Posts: 707
|
The CONOPs just increased by 10 more slides certifying that all soldiers understand the dangers of releasing their bodily fluids (Mandrake!) on enemy combatants who are no longer deemed threats. 
__________________
"I see that you notice that I wear glasses. Well, it was to be. I've not only grown old and gray, I've become almost blind in the service of my country." - General George Washington
"There are times in your life you'll be required to perform an exceedingly difficult task to the best of your ability, regardless of your perceived capability. Mental toughness is what will carry the day during these times. In other words, you suck it up and do what you have to do." - Razor
|
|
lindy is offline
|
|
|
05-03-2012, 19:21
|
#3
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Idaho
Posts: 1,208
|
From what I saw as a filthy contractor over in Iraq and A-stan, it wasn't the young/junior leaders who needed to get their sh*t wired straight. It was the majority of the older, POS-6000's.
"What's that on your belt, COL/CSM? Oh, that's your gut!"
The CSM in the regular unit I was assigned to on my last two tours was more worried about getting his own private hooch, crapper and laundry facility built and wire up with electricity before the rest of the FOB (and his troops) were taken care of. The troops' morale and general character was pretty low and there was never any effort by the CSM on down to instill a real sense of pride and/or responsibility unless you include chicken-sh*t reflector belt and eye-pro checks.
__________________
"It is a brave act of valor to condemn death, but where life is more terrible than death, it is then the truest valor to dare to live." -Sir Thomas Browne (1605-1682)
|
|
TOMAHAWK9521 is offline
|
|
|
05-03-2012, 21:44
|
#4
|
|
BANNED USER
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Washington
Posts: 63
|
Wow, what a goddamn condescending article and approach.
Sure, put "more pressure on... sergeants." Fire team leaders don't have enough to worry about, and apparently somebody thinks they don't take care of their men well enough.
Also, somebody thinks that colonel's and above have any ability to "fix" this "problem."
Ah, gotta love it when the misdeeds of the few become the responsibility and pain of the entire organization.
Shit rolls downhill, indeed.
|
|
Dreadnought is offline
|
|
|
05-03-2012, 21:59
|
#5
|
|
Guest
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by TOMAHAWK9521
From what I saw as a filthy contractor over in Iraq and A-stan, it wasn't the young/junior leaders who needed to get their sh*t wired straight. It was the majority of the older, POS-6000's.
"What's that on your belt, COL/CSM? Oh, that's your gut!"
The CSM in the regular unit I was assigned to on my last two tours was more worried about getting his own private hooch, crapper and laundry facility built and wire up with electricity before the rest of the FOB (and his troops) were taken care of. The troops' morale and general character was pretty low and there was never any effort by the CSM on down to instill a real sense of pride and/or responsibility unless you include chicken-sh*t reflector belt and eye-pro checks.
|
|
|
|
|
|
05-03-2012, 22:18
|
#6
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Tampa
Posts: 2,519
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarski
|
What is the purpose of this post?
Honestly 
__________________
Primum non Nocere
"I have hung out in dangerous places a lot over the years, from combat zones to biker bars, and it is the weak, the unaware, or those looking for it, that usually find trouble.
Ain't no one getting out of this world alive. All you can do is try to have some choice in the way you go. Prepare yourself (and your affairs), and when your number is up, die on your feet fighting rather than on your knees. And make the SOBs pay dearly."
The Reaper-3 Sep 04
|
|
Eagle5US is offline
|
|
|
05-03-2012, 22:48
|
#7
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Just above the flood plain in Southern Texas
Posts: 3,611
|
Seems to me that only the negatives ever reach the MSM and the focus is on a handful of events that distract from the overall success of the mission (if there is one of those left) that makes headlines.
Seems the senior level leadership is failing to make a case for continuous war without accepting that a few things will go wrong.
No level of discipline is going to prevent all the mistakes and soldiers going rogue or committing acts that others not familiar with the situation find unpleasant.
Someone pinch me when a real war crime happens, so I can adjust my perception about how far we've come in eleven-years of perma-war and people are bitching about Marines pissing on dead guys, and the mistaken burning of books. Or, what happens when you send a guy with PTSD back into theater just because you've run out of warm bodies back home.
My outside feeling isn't that these young leaders and soldiers lack discipline, but that the senior level leadership has lost sight of what in the hell we are still doing there in the first place.
__________________
You only live once; live well. Have no regrets when the end happens!
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” (Sir Edmund Burke)
Last edited by Old Dog New Trick; 05-04-2012 at 09:02.
|
|
Old Dog New Trick is offline
|
|
|
05-04-2012, 00:15
|
#8
|
|
Guest
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagle5US
What is the purpose of this post?
Honestly |
The point is blunt, sir. I laughed out loud (lol). I should have probably added that all things come out in the wash. I probably got a bit carried away with myself. I hope you will understand, and forgive my innadequcies, sir.
Last edited by Sarski; 05-04-2012 at 00:17.
|
|
|
|
|
05-04-2012, 08:23
|
#9
|
|
RIP Quiet Professional
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Ozarks
Posts: 10,072
|
This is cyclical.
__________________
"There you go, again." Ronald Reagan
|
|
Dusty is offline
|
|
|
05-04-2012, 09:12
|
#10
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Fayetteville
Posts: 13,080
|
The Big Green Wheel
The Big Green Wheel turns again.
Ever notice how it always stops on the flat side?
|
|
Pete is offline
|
|
|
05-04-2012, 10:16
|
#11
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Der Vaterland
Posts: 2,311
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete
The Big Green Wheel turns again.
Ever notice how it always stops on the flat side?
|
pay no attention to the skid mark left when the axle froze and we dragged it the last 40 miles...
The next couple of years will be very painful for all of us.
__________________
v/r
Stras
der Kriegskind SFA LXV
De Oppresso Liber
|
|
Stras is offline
|
|
|
05-04-2012, 13:55
|
#12
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: State of confusion
Posts: 1,557
|
I want to know when the senior leaders - when faced with a question about troops pissing on dead Taliban - answer with: "So what?"
That - right there - will go a LONG way towards restoring the two-way loyalty street.
(and please spare me the comments of "we're better than that; we shouldn't sink to the level of the savages...yada...yada...yada....")
|
|
JimP is offline
|
|
|
05-04-2012, 14:28
|
#13
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: NorCal
Posts: 15,370
|
Precogs on-line yet?
And so it goes...
Richard
__________________
“Sometimes the Bible in the hand of one man is worse than a whisky bottle in the hand of (another)… There are just some kind of men who – who’re so busy worrying about the next world they’ve never learned to live in this one, and you can look down the street and see the results.” - To Kill A Mockingbird (Atticus Finch)
“Almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.” - Robert Heinlein
|
|
Richard is offline
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:49.
|
|
|
Linear Mode
