10-05-2004, 19:20
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Cheney/Edwards debate
Anybody watching?  Catch the lame response by Edwards to the direct question from the moderator as to what the "Global Test" is all about? Totally skirted the question.
I think the VP is burying Edwards with facts, and has been going after their voting records.
Edit to add: And their (lack of) consistency.
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10-05-2004, 19:51
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Anybody watching? Catch the lame response by Edwards to the direct question from the moderator as to what the "Global Test" is all about? Totally skirted the question.
I think the VP is burying Edwards with facts, and has been going after their voting records.
Edit to add: And their (lack of) consistency. |
Concur. VP is kicking his ass, IMHO.
Now I want anyone who runs across a post-debate poll to post the link here so that we can vote for whoever we think won.
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10-05-2004, 19:57
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Concur. VP is kicking his ass, IMHO.
Now I want anyone who runs across a post-debate poll to post the link here so that we can vote for whoever we think won.
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Think Edwards is backtracking to previous questions too much?
Looks like ducking and flip-flopping to me.
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10-05-2004, 19:59
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Yes I do, simply because the VP is coming at him with straight facts, discussing his attendence record and voting records etc...and he cannot counter.
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10-05-2004, 20:01
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And let me just say Edwards bringing up Cheney's daughter (gay rights/marriage question) was WAY out of line. Cheap shot.
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10-05-2004, 20:11
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Family should have been off limits. Edwards was trying to use it to drive a wedge among the Republican constituency. I thought the VP's refusal to respond was telling.
Nice smackdown when he hit Edwards back on his Chapter S corporation which he used to avoid $600,000 in Social Security payments.
Wish he had hit him harder on it.
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10-05-2004, 20:17
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Family should have been off limits. Edwards was trying to use it to drive a wedge among the Republican constituency. I thought the VP's refusal to respond was telling.
Nice smackdown when he hit Edwards back on his Chapter S corporation which he used to avoid $600,000 in Social Security payments.
Wish he had hit him harder on it.
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Agreed TR, for me his response was almost as good as the standard 7th Group reply. 
I agree that would have been good to hit harder on that since so many people don't look deeper on facts but overall I think he has hammered Edwards but good.
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Now I want anyone who runs across a post-debate poll to post the link here so that we can vote for whoever we think won.
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Here you go Sir... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
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I hope nobody explains to these to dufuses the issues involved with "doubling the size of Special Forces."
It looked like a sparring lesson from an old master to a young student to me.
I liked the VP's answer to Halliburton - "Go to factcheck.com" LOL
Also - "I'm President of the Senate and tonight is the first time I ever met you." ROTLMAO. Edwards looked chin jab stunned. 
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Cheney is losing 3-1 so far.
I found these three articles quite interesting. Increasing rudeness, vandalism, and actual violence by the Dems is shocking to me.
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Protestors Ransack Bush/Cheney Headquarters In Orlando
http://www.local6.com/politics/3785861/detail.html
Shots fired into Knoxville Bush/Cheney headquarters
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breakin...4050-1855r.htm
and this one, which seems to have a dead link:
Shot fired at GOP Headquarters in Huntington
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Those people are insane.
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10-05-2004, 21:00
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They are insane...and desperate.
Here's another poll...from Fox. I find it hard to believe people feel Edwards won, he had nothing of substance. And it can't be his looks...he's too girlie for me.
http://www.foxnews.com/ you need to scroll down a bit it is on the right side of the page.
Who won Tuesday night's vice presidential debate? (From Fox)
a. Vice President Cheney (42%)
6,344
b. Senator Edwards (56%)
8,378
c. I did not watch (1%)
68
d. None of the above (1%)
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Here is an example the MSNBC/Newsweek spin:
"Cheney promptly challenged those figures, saying the Iraqi security forces had taken nearly half of the casualties.
"For you to demean their sacrifice is beyond the pale," he said to Edwards seated a few feet away.
"Oh, I'm not," Edwards protested before the vice president cut him off."
Cut him off???
It wasn't his turn to speak, it was on the VP's time.
He also spoke out of turn when the moderator screwed up and gave him the floor.
The he "forgot" the rules and mentioned John Kerry twice after they were asked to speak about their position without naming their running mates.
No mention of those gaffe's either, just that Mean old Dick Cheney "cut him off".
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10-05-2004, 21:40
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They aren't biased. Much.
I flipped on MSNBC but got a headache so switched back to Fox.
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You have to disregard all the on-line interactive polls as the Democrats have been sending out mass e-mails the last 72 hours to supporters urging them to vote for Edwards regardless of his actual performance.
Apparently ABC did a quick telephone survey and the VP won by 11 or 12% and interestingly enough Edwards only got 34% (IIRC) of the vote, which means only his base believes he won but no one else does.
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