Why Does America Have So Many 'Peter Pan' Men?

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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/...peter-pan-men/

Ok ladies here is one for you!!!

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[Dusty]

Society has set up the typical American male as a snivelling milquetoast with Mitty disease. Feminists have had a lot to do with forming that stereotype.

Doesn't mean you gotta act like one, yourself. And not all women are feminists.

A woman is like a gun. Fun, but dangerous.

[33army]

I can't remember where I heard this statistic, but a recent study has shown that men today have on average 20% less testosterone than men did 20 years ago.


Not the source of the above statistic but along the same lines...

http://naturalsociety.com/masculinit...n-the-decline/

[mark46th]

Google "The Pussification of the American Male"... Lots of ideas on the subject.

[Buffalobob]

In 1859 Charles Darwin proposed the law of natural selection. In the mid 1960's seat belts were introduced which tended to defeat that law and then the all volunteer army worked in direct counter balance to that law. While most of my beliefs are fairly liberal, I am not blind to the fact we are not removing poor quality genes through starvation and disease.

Think about it. Modern medicine has taken away all of the great plagues and FDA and CDC are beat up in the news every time someone gets diarrhea. OSHA and other workplace regulations have cut down on people sawing their own head off with a chainsaw. We haven't had a great Chicago fire in a long time.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Buffalobob

In 1859 Charles Darwin proposed the law of natural selection. In the mid 1960's seat belts were introduced which tended to defeat that law and then the all volunteer army worked in direct counter balance to that law. While most of my beliefs are fairly liberal, I am not blind to the fact we are not removing poor quality genes through starvation and disease.

Think about it. Modern medicine has taken away all of the great plagues and FDA and CDC are beat up in the news every time someone gets diarrhea. OSHA and other workplace regulations have cut down on people sawing their own head off with a chainsaw. We haven't had a great Chicago fire in a long time.

Yep. Wait 'til there's no oil.

[afchic]

I for one have never subcribed to the typical definition of "feminism".

I grew up with a brother 1 year older than me, therefore if I wanted to play I learned to play with him and his friends. Tackle football, gorilla basketball, etc. I still remember being about 9 when we moved into a new neighborhood and I wanted to play football with the new boys for the first time. They all treated me with kid gloves until my brother told them I could take care of myself, so just play ball. The first time I knocked one of them on their ass we didn't have that discussion again. It remained the same way until we graduated from college (my poor brother had to go to college with 2 of his little sisters). So in that respect, I learned from an early age, and due mostly to my dad, that I could take care of myself and play with the boys while not becoming one of them.

While I am in uniform I do not want to be treated as a "female" officer. I just want to be seen as an officer. Hence why I don't wear my blues unless I have to.

But my father also brought me up to be a lady. If a man holds the door for me, I appreciate it. BAck in the day, If one offered to take me out for dinner, I accepted the offer. I like dressing up in a dress and heels, wearing makeup, and having my hair done, an know that the males around me appreciate seeing a woman looking like a woman, and accepting a compliment as it is given, instead of seeing it as sexual harassment.

Maybe because of all this, that is why I married a man 17 years my senior. He respects me for the job I do, and appreciates me for being his wife, and allowing him to wear the pants in the family, so to speak. Alot of the guys I dated before him wanted me to be their mommy. Thank you, but no.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by afchic

I for one have never subcribed to the typical definition of "feminism".

No feminist would fly your avatar.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Society has set up the typical American male as a snivelling milquetoast with Mitty disease.

I look at school. When I was in grade school boys we rough and tumble, we played mean games like dodge ball with the sole intent of getting a head shot, tackle football was allowed at recess, we had fist fights on the play ground, we were allowed pockets knives on school grounds, we all watched Combat and Rat Patrol and drew warfare cartoons at art depicting amputation, blood and core in art class....if you didn't tow that line you were considered a Mommas Boy and alienated. If you took it too far, you went to the Principles office for a visit with the Board of Education.....and if you didn't head the advice of the Board of education you got expelled.

With exception to art and what violence we watched on TV nothing much change in Middle School through High School. In fact, in High School it was quite common to see rifles and shotguns in students pickups....and that was a city school.

And throughout those 13 violent filled years of public education....no one got shot or stabbed..... and with exception to the Middle School I was integrated into, very rarely were teachers ever talked back to and none were ever threatened.

Now days it is the counter opposite.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Paslode

I look at school. When I was in grade school boys we rough and tumble, we played mean games like dodge ball with the sole intent of getting a head shot, tackle football was allowed at recess, we had fist fights on the play ground, we were allowed pockets knives on school grounds, we all watched Combat and Rat Patrol and drew warfare cartoons at art depicting amputation, blood and core in art class....if you didn't tow that line you were considered a Mommas Boy and alienated. If you took it too far, you went to the Principles office for a visit with the Board of Education.....and if you didn't head the advice of the Board of education you got expelled.

With exception to art and what violence we watched on TV nothing much change in Middle School through High School. In fact, in High School it was quite common to see rifles and shotguns in students pickups....and that was a city school.

And throughout those 13 violent filled years of public education....no one got shot or stabbed..... and with exception to the Middle School I was integrated into, very rarely were teachers ever talked back to and none were ever threatened.

Now days it is the counter opposite.

Our freedoms are eroding faster and faster. This "level playing field" bullshit is rotting our collective core.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

Entire post.

Sounds like Ms. Nance hit a nerve somewhere.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Our freedoms are eroding faster and faster. This "level playing field" bullshit is rotting our collective core.

I believe you can chalk some of the problem to homes were the home is devoid of a father i.e. a masculine influence.

For example I will use my son and myself.

If I hadn't had a Dad that was into fishing, hunting, guns and knives...Mom would have never let me close to a gun and I probably wouldn't have been carrying a pocket knife. My son wouldn't have been allowed to have either had I not been around. And just like me and all my cousins he cut himself with his first pocket knife within the first week....he hasn't done it since. I've taught him firearm safety just like my dad taught me.

Mention firearms and killing game around my hood in public and there's a good chance you'll get some odd looks.....were are Hamburgers made? McDonalds of course. Eggs come from Hen House.

The one thing I am not allowed to do (to keep in good graces with the School Gods) is to encourage my son or his sister to kick the shit out of anyone that hits them.....they are just supposed to put up with and tell the teacher....and that is acceptable to my kids peers and most parents. You might even get in trouble by even mentioning the possibility of hitting back.

Whereas, my buddies would have called me a pussy for tattling to the teacher, and it wouldn't have sit well with my Dad either....Mom would have said I did the right thing. Dad would have said, You need to stand up for yourself son, you can't rely on others to do it for you.

These days if kids were having a dirt clod fight someone would dial 911.

Despite having a clotting time of 30 minutes plus, Dad encourage me to be a boy, learn the lessons associated with the experiences. Mom generally conceded and prayed it all went well.....She could have turned me into a Mommas Boy if Dad hadn't been around.


Another facet is getting sweaty and dirty....

Everyone in my family worked and got their hands filthy. Dirt, Grime and sweat is what payed the bills and did you proud. You walked in the house with your shoes on or through the back door if you were muddy. Playing in the mud and rain, stamping puddles were all encouraged by both my parents.

Now days, there is an increasing aversion to dirt...most people stay indoors when it rains....most folks seem to want to stay clean, dry and seemingly safe from something.....and if you don't use some antibacterial soap before every meal and after every time you touch something, then you're the odd person out.

And now when it sprinkles it time to come in and play inside......rain never stopped us from playing outside, in fact it made it more fun!

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Paslode

The one thing I am not allowed to do (to keep in good graces with the School Gods) is to encourage my son or his sister to kick the shit out of anyone that hits them.....they are just supposed to put up with and tell the teacher....and that is acceptable to my kids peers and most parents. You might even get in trouble by even mentioning the possibility of hitting back.

Your point as well as a major symptom of decay in our society illustrated here:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/19...est=latestnews


A 9-year-old Colorado boy claims he was suspended from his elementary school after fighting back against a bully who was beating him.

Nathan Pemberton, a third-grader at West Elementary School in Colorado Springs, was suspended Tuesday following a physical altercation with another student, Fox affiliate KDVR-TV reported.

"One kid kicked me in the back, then punched me in the face. Then I punched him in the face and then I got in trouble," the boy told the station.

The boys parents said their son has repeatedly complained of being bullied at school.

"Finally, yeah, we told him, if you have to, if there’s nobody else around, you do what you have to do," said his mother, Deborah Pemberton.

"The school had told us and told him as well, just walk away. Walk away, find a teacher," Pemberton said. "Well, when those things happened, and he did find a teacher, there was hardly any repercussions."

A school released a statement to the station saying that the district has a "no tolerance student discipline policy."

"If a student is involved in a physical altercation on school property, they are automatically suspended," the statement said. "District 11 schools employ many anti-bullying teaching techniques … and none of these methods include violence or retaliation."

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[MR2]

"Zero tolerance" usually translates into zero thinking/judgement.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Your point as well as a major symptom of decay in our society illustrated here:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/19...est=latestnews


A 9-year-old Colorado boy claims he was suspended from his elementary school after fighting back against a bully who was beating him.

Nathan Pemberton, a third-grader at West Elementary School in Colorado Springs, was suspended Tuesday following a physical altercation with another student, Fox affiliate KDVR-TV reported.

"One kid kicked me in the back, then punched me in the face. Then I punched him in the face and then I got in trouble," the boy told the station.

The boys parents said their son has repeatedly complained of being bullied at school.

"Finally, yeah, we told him, if you have to, if there’s nobody else around, you do what you have to do," said his mother, Deborah Pemberton.

"The school had told us and told him as well, just walk away. Walk away, find a teacher," Pemberton said. "Well, when those things happened, and he did find a teacher, there was hardly any repercussions."

A school released a statement to the station saying that the district has a "no tolerance student discipline policy."

"If a student is involved in a physical altercation on school property, they are automatically suspended," the statement said. "District 11 schools employ many anti-bullying teaching techniques … and none of these methods include violence or retaliation."

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Like gun control policies....these policies do more harm than good, and likely encourage bullying.

The boy should be patted on the back for standing his ground.