02-15-2012, 18:12
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SMA wants 4-mile run, 12-mile march for PT test
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02-15-2012, 18:27
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If this is implemented as suggested,, Mother has a new way of reducing headcount that can not be considered PC weighted or prejudicial..
May work... 
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02-15-2012, 18:29
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I think this is a very good thing. It will force people to meet actual standards. I wonder what percentage of the force actually successfully completed a 12 mile ruck march in the last 12 months?
The only issue, of course, is that both the run and the ruck are conducted at a very slow pace. I don't understand why the Army tolerates soldiers within its ranks who cannot meet the 8 min mile/15 min mile for the both events. I don't think being in a support MOS is an excuse for lessening the standard, especially in the current conflict, where there is no defined front line.
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02-15-2012, 19:15
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Physical fitness is just ONE indicator of quality. Whenever I see leadership (or anyone else) fixated on ONE aspect of the "whole man", I start to wonder if that's their pet peeve because it's the only competence they have.
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02-15-2012, 19:29
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PT Standards?
What are the current requirements for the Basic Airborne Course? Do females get a different testing standard than males?...TK
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02-15-2012, 20:39
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Originally Posted by John_Chrichton
The only issue, of course, is that both the run and the ruck are conducted at a very slow pace. I don't understand why the Army tolerates soldiers within its ranks who cannot meet the 8 min mile/15 min mile for the both events.
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Maybe my math is off. Regardless, I don't consider a 15 minute pace slow for a 12 mile ruck with the appropriate weight.
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02-15-2012, 20:42
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They need to add a swim test to better round out the troops.......
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02-15-2012, 20:45
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If this is the new standard, how can you lawfully put out a male who does four miles in 30:00, but keep the female who does it in 36:00?
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02-15-2012, 21:26
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Maybe my math is off. Regardless, I don't consider a 15 minute pace slow for a 12 mile ruck with the appropriate weight.
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I think that would be a 20 minute per mile pace. 
That's one way of cutting the number of troops quickly. My only question is what happens when a HUGE number of support troops get thrown out, who's going to support the guys on the front lines?
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02-15-2012, 22:11
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It's what guys end up doing in Afghanistan 3 times a week. But ohhh, my knees!
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02-15-2012, 22:18
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They need to add a swim test to better round out the troops....... |
That has certainly been a major weeding out factor.
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02-15-2012, 22:29
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I always thought a ruck march with an appropriate flesh wound would weed out the snivelers!
You can get carried away with rucking, I know we remember the old '80's yearly stress/qual testing experiments. That sweet ruckmarch from Bragg to Mackall and back with 50lb rucks and equipment.
I suspect a combo of the old test with a dif run would be fine.
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02-15-2012, 22:38
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I always thought a ruck march with an appropriate flesh wound would weed out the snivelers!
You can get carried away with rucking, I know we remember the old '80's yearly stress/qual testing experiments. That sweet ruckmarch from Bragg to Mackall and back with 50lb rucks and equipment.
I suspect a combo of the old test with a dif run would be fine.
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I remember the 50 meter swim test, the standard PT test and then the 12 mile ruck march all back to back.
It amazes me that I could actually do all that at one time in my life, but then I got old...
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02-16-2012, 06:19
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so...
we have not even instituted the last "new PT test" and now we need another one?
Didn't the US Army just expend a shit ton of time and effort money proving that we needed "burst" fitness and that the new PT was going to be "great"
A shuttle run and a four mile run are at opposite ends of the spectrum if my observations are correct...
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02-16-2012, 07:11
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They need to add a swim test to better round out the troops....... |
Wouldn't that be considered insensitive or discrimination against folks who never learned how to swim or whose body composition makes them either great shark bait or boat anchors?
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