socom as a indapendant branch of service

duce400 · 02-10-2012, 21:01

Gents,

While at the team room a conversation came up which I was told that there may be a possibility that USSOCOM may one day become a branch of service. This of course sparked my interest so after conducting a search on open sources (which turnedup nothing) I decided to open a post to see if anyone has heard anything of the sort, and possibly clarify that the thusfar rumor is in fact a real possibility.

Thanks,
duce400

longrange1947 · 02-10-2012, 21:23

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Originally Posted by duce400

Gents,

While at the team room a conversation came up which I was told that there may be a possibility that USSOCOM may one day become a branch of service. This of course sparked my interest so after conducting a search on open sources (which turnedup nothing) I decided to open a post to see if anyone has heard anything of the sort, and possibly clarify that the thusfar rumor is in fact a real possibility.

Thanks,
duce400

That is why USSOCOM exists, as an answer to the desire of some to have a separate but equal branch. It has been proposed for over a decade. I doubt seriously if it ever goes very far. The branches like the money they get for Spec Opns Forces.

Richard · 02-10-2012, 21:34

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Originally Posted by duce400

...possibility that USSOCOM may one day become a branch of service...

I have mixed feelings on that one - in a Praetorian Guard sense, that is.

And so it goes...

Richard

blacksmoke · 02-11-2012, 02:29

I wonder what basic would be like.

Dozer523 · 02-11-2012, 06:27

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Originally Posted by duce400

Gents,

I decided to open a post to see if anyone has heard anything of the sort, and possibly clarify that the thusfar rumor is in fact a real possibility.

Thanks,
duce400

And with your very first post. No, Thank you.

Firers, Watch your lanes.

fasteddie565 · 02-11-2012, 08:00

Duce,

Intro,

fast eddie sends

longrange1947 · 02-11-2012, 08:23

Thank you Dozer, I had not even noticed.

Duce400, read welcome packet, post intro.

Thank you.

Richard · 02-11-2012, 08:33

Guys,

Thanks for the help but we've already sent him a PM w/link to the intro instructions - let's leave the available space for commenting on the topic of the thread.

Appreciatively,

Richard

**Airbornelawyer** · 02-11-2012, 13:05

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Originally Posted by longrange1947

Quote:

Originally Posted by duce400

Gents,

While at the team room a conversation came up which I was told that there may be a possibility that USSOCOM may one day become a branch of service. This of course sparked my interest so after conducting a search on open sources (which turnedup nothing) I decided to open a post to see if anyone has heard anything of the sort, and possibly clarify that the thusfar rumor is in fact a real possibility.

Thanks,
duce400

That is why USSOCOM exists, as an answer to the desire of some to have a separate but equal branch. It has been proposed for over a decade. I doubt seriously if it ever goes very far. The branches like the money they get for Spec Opns Forces.

I think it goes back further than that. It was debated in 1986 when Goldwater-Nichols was still working its way through Congress. USSOCOM was a compromise - a combatant command like the others created under the Act, but not quite like the the others. If you look at Chapter 6 of Title 10 of the US Code, you see that when the combatant commands were created, SOCOM was given its own special role and authority (Title 10, Section 167) beyond the other commands. In acquisition matters, for example, the commander of SOCOM has the same authority as the Secretaries of the Army, Navy and Air Force.

But it was a compromise, and tensions continue to exist, so every few years the debate comes up again. For example, SOCOM has the authority to develop special operations doctrine and to train assigned forces, and to "monitor" the professional development of special operations officers, so there is inevitable tension between SOCOM and TRADOC over various issues and between SOCOM and HRC/PERSCOM over others.

I think in recent years the debate, such that it is, has been more about the role JSOC than SOCOM as a whole.

By the way, duce400, as a somewhat nitpicky aside, while your original post is a fairly well-written and logical query, your topic title has so many grammatical errors it makes baby Jesus cry. I know there are probably almost as many grammar Nazis as bad grammarians on the Internet, and nobody's perfect, but you need to show more attention to detail, especially if you want to be taken seriously on a professional forum, rather than a Facebook wall.

Utah Bob · 02-12-2012, 10:38

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Originally Posted by Richard

I have mixed feelings on that one - in a Praetorian Guard sense, that is.

And so it goes...

Richard

Ditto...and a few others in history.

**Pete** · 02-12-2012, 11:31

.................................Not enough shoes.

If SOF becomes it's own branch then what?

Does that Branch recruit from the other branches or recruit off the street? As a branch it will still need a lot of non-SOF slots/jobs.

As all SOF troops go to SOF you don't think each branch will try and form SOF "light" like units?

Think it would lead to more or less Generals, CSMs, staffs and HQs?

mark46th · 02-13-2012, 13:47

Adm McRaven was asking for more autonomy over SOF Missions, being able to pick and choose who, where and what SOF does. I don't think that is a good idea. Regional commanders not being consulted about ops in their AO? That could be dangerous for civilians, conventional troops and SOF doing the mission...

Renegade · 02-13-2012, 14:06

http://www.military.com/news/article...ew-powers.html

longrange1947 · 02-13-2012, 15:21

And you guys did not see this coming with the Navy in charge now?????

turboprop · 02-15-2012, 19:56

I've always considered myself quite "indapendent," maybe they will have a spot for me. I'm guessing you were going for "deuce" as a screen name and weren't trying to pay homage to Mussolini. If that's the case you can use this mix up as a chance to have a fresh start here. Read a bit to get a feel for how stuff goes around here first. Good luck!