An Open Letter To John Giduck

[Guy]

Now, before et al., `et alii' , `et aliae' or `et alia' get their panties in a twist and want to level some type of lawsuit against me and me alone since; I'm the one posted this message, well....I won't be hard to find if, you can move in a hostile environment.

Dear John (the irony huh?)-

Apparently by now you are wishing that you had second thoughts about intimidating the membership of SOCNET with your threats of a lawsuit for voicing our mere opinions about your credentials (or obvious lack thereof) to be instructing our law enforcement and military personnel in anything regarding anti-terrorism or counter-terrorism. You see, our opinion is a constitutional right to free speech. And, unfortunately for you, the truth is a positive defense against your claims of libel, defamation etc…So you decided to set up your own website, to expose the “truth”. I had hoped you were smart enough to let sleeping dogs lie as things here were slowly calming down, but you have chosen not to, so, let’s talk about a few things, John and see where the truth leads us.

First, the threads in question were from 2007. It was a dead issue. Your employees, I assume at your bidding, brought the issue back to life. Your credentials were discussed again, with the same result. You have none. Obviously a talented writer/story-teller and by most accounts a good public speaker. But, creds to be training AT or CT TTPs? Nope. Sorry John. Less than 60 days in the U.S. Army doesn’t qualify. So, you send a letter to SOCNET threatening to sue. SOCNET yawns in response. Every poser we have ever outed has threatened to sue. Standard Procedure. So next you try to intimidate GoDaddy for a name so you can file a lawsuit, who tells you to go pound sand and bring a warrant next time. Again, standard procedure.

During all of this, a promotional bio for you is found online, claiming you are a “Lifetime Member” of the Special Operations Association. Don’t worry, we will get to them later. So, one of our members is also a Lifetime Member of the SOA and knows that the SOA ByLaws prohibit “The advertising of Association Membership or Operational Associate status for either commercial or political purposes. Violations of this paragraph will be brought to the attention of the Board of Directors and may result in revocation of Membership or Operational Associate status.” Of course you already knew that, John, since you are the SOA’s legal counsel, right?

The member also wants to know if you actually qualify for general lifetime membership in SOA, as the standards are fairly narrow for membership and you did not appear to qualify. That member, MSG Jonathan Clouse, writes an e-mail to the President of the SOA (John Meyer) and asks if you qualify as a Lifetime Member of SOA. Meyer writes back that you are just an “Honorary Member,” as opposed to a General Member. This is a fact that you conveniently choose not to include in your bio when you play the SOA card. MSG Clouse then posts on SOCNET that John Meyer vouches for your service to the SOA as and “Honorary Member.” This is the last post MSG Clouse ever makes about you, several days before you threaten him! Why? MSG Clouse posts that he has respect for John Meyer, and John Meyer vouches for you. MSG Clouse, in a private email, also informs Meyer of his concern that you are misrepresenting yourself as a “Lifetime Member.” For reasons no one understands, John Meyer forwards his communication with MSG Clouse to you (that’s what you lawyers call “privileged communication”). In turn, you used MSG Clouse’s SOA membership information to have him served with a notice to cease and desist, and an intent to sue, as well the threat to have MSG Clouse charged with numerous criminal offenses. That was a mistake. The SOA releasing that personal information is against the law. What we still were not aware of at the time was that you CONTROL the SOA. Literally. This seems to be a pattern with you. To wit, you want to be in a martial arts hall of fame, so you just create your own hall of fame from scratch in Russia and make yourself a member. Easier to be in the club if you control the clubhouse, aint it? You have zero SOF experience so you just buy your way into the SOA and make yourself a life member, as well as the controlling interest.

Now let’s talk about MSG Clouse. Your legal notice to MSG Clouse demanded that he pay you $200K and divulge the personal information of every SOCNET member who dared post their opinions about you that you didn’t like or be sued. MSG Clouse did not respond in any way, publicly or privately. SF guys are generally uncooperative like that when threatened. So MSG Clouse informs SOCNET of your threats and extortion, as SOCNET is listed on your legal threat letter as a potential co-defendant. SOCNET does not take kindly to you threatening one of our brothers. So, since you have decided to vilify a man who had absolutely nothing to do with what was said about you on this site (he wasn’t even a member at the time), let’s look at who you are threatening. The following is the narrative to accompany the award of the Silver Star to MSG Jonathan Clouse.

[Guy]

For asking a "simple" question about John Giducks association with the SOA:

NARRATIVE TO ACCOMPANY AWARD: Sergeant First Class Jonathan Clouse, United States Army, heroically distinguished himself by exceptionally valorous conduct in the face of the enemy of the United States as the Special Forces Liaison, Marine Special Operations Company H, Special Operations Task Force - 73, Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force - Afghanistan in support of Operation ENDURING FREEDOM XII. On 26 June 2008, Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force - Afghanistan directed that Marine Special Operations Teams ONE and TWO respond to a time sensitive target in Heart Province, Afghanistan. Large rocks and boulders lined the path along the entire route into the restrictive and mountainous target area. Sergeant First Class Clouse was with the forward dismounted element when it began receiving accurate machine gun and sniper fire from the mountainside overlooking its position. With members of the team gravely wounded, Sergeant First Class Clouse provided immediate medical aid to the nearest casualty. Another member of the element received a life-threatening wound, and Sergeant First Class Clouse ran through the kill zone to render further medical attention under heavy machine gun fire that struck the back of his body armor. Ignoring the sustained enemy fire, he provided advanced medical aid to his fallen team member until the casualty succumbed to his wounds. Reacting to the calls for assistance from other wounded, Sergeant First Class Clouse again ran through the kill zone to provide medical attention. As he crossed the kill zone, enemy sniper fire struck his weapon, rendering it unserviceable. Reaching his fallen comrade, he provided desperately needed medical attention and stabilized the wounded individual. From his new position he began directing incoming Close Air Support. His actions became critical in adjusting the impact onto the enemy fighting positions, enabling the element to move the wounded out of the kill zone. After stabilizing four patients with gunshot wounds, Sergeant First Class Clouse again showed disregard for his own safety and helped recover a wounded Afghan National Army Soldier from the kill zone to the medical evacuation platform in time for extraction. His actions are in keeping with the finest traditions of military heroism and reflect distinct credit upon himself, the Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force - Afghanistan, Special Operations Command Central, and the United States Army.

[Guy]

MSG Clouse spent his adult life in the service of THIS country, John. Not Russia. Obviously he didn’t do it for the money. We don’t get rich in the Army, John. You on the other hand, have spent your adult life soaking up taxpayer dollars teaching things you have zero experience in. Things you supposedly learned in Russia, (let’s assume that part of your bio is true for purposes of this conversation and that it wasn’t actually an adventure camp) not the United States. So, while the war on terror was ongoing, rather than serve your own country, you were off supposedly fighting organized crime in Russia with your Spetznaz/Alpha and KGB/FSB/GRU buddies. Impressive. Very impressive. At this point, one has to wonder though, if you were so capable, why weren’t you serving your own country, John? In case you slept through the 70’s and 80’s John, Russia isn’t exactly a friend of the U.S. I won’t even get into the fact that they have probably been using you as an asset for the past decade or two. Personally I don’t think you are smart enough to actually work for them without getting caught but you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to understand that they consider you an asset. Anyone in the Intelligence world would know that your close association with the FSB/GRU/KGB etc is a big red flag for those of us with security clearances. But, back to MSG Clouse.

Out of the "ut-most" respect for the men whom were my mentors that provided knowledge & guidance so that, I'm still alive and moving: "Hell! I work for and with two (2) QPs in a "hostile" environment that has been ongoing for over ten (10) years! So, I'll refrain from posting the rest of Concern Citizen posts.

Guy
18E/F/DVW7
5th, 3rd, SWTG(A), 20th, 19th SFG(A)

Now, I'm just a concerned citizen moving things around OCONUS......

[fasteddie565]

This is unacceptable. We need to disseminate this as widely as possible.

[Pete]

SOCNET's summary post with links......

http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=107621

SOCNET's latest long thread with the original letter.......

http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=107705

John Giduck's minions have been huffing and puffing at SOCNET since 2007.

[fasteddie565]

Here is another example of his trying to claim SF status, in the second person. He must have slept through the Plausible deniability class.

http://www.isf.ethz.ch/isf/Program/P...n-Intelligence

This is on his OWN WEB PAGE for crying out loud.

http://archangelgroup.org/content_ma...9bcbeb9687c40c

The hits just keep on rolling in.

http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=107773

[Team Sergeant]

After reading the entire thread on SOCNET and what was published about John Giduck's book by Meg Stalcup & Jousha Craze it would seem SOCNET has exposed a fraud that would exceed the likes of William G. Hillar!

I no longer find it amazing that the FBI, DEA, DHS, DOD etc. etc. etc. would hire individuals like Giduck to teach/instruct them. All federal state and local law enforcement that hired William G. Hillar thought he was the best thing that ever happened to them until Hillar crossed the path of real Special Forces soldiers and was exposed as a fraud.

Just an FYI to all you civilian readers, when a "fraud" is exposed by real Special Operations personnel that has serious connections with DoD & DHS, federal, state or local law enforcement, they don't like it one bit.

Why, cause it's quite embarrassing. When William G. Hillar was actually busted by the Fed's the only ones that brought criminal complaints were the colleges he defrauded. If I recall correctly DHS (and a few others) refused to get involved in the case against Hillar. Why, it's embarrassing. In my opinion its not just embarrassing its downright criminal that all those individuals that hired the fraud known William G. Hillar did not lose their jobs. These same idiots are running our "Fusion Centers", and "Anti-Terrorism units", protecting us......

It begs the question, if the Department of Homeland Security cannot see through a counter-terrorism "fraud" how the hell do you expect them to catch hardened terrorists? Yeah, chew on that for a while.

This brings up another point, when two civilian reporters write an article exposing what they think is counter-terrorism fraud why does the federal government not investigate? (Embarrassment)

It's a sad day when dozens of Special Forces, Rangers, SEALS etc. with hundreds of years in Special Operations point out what they think is a "counter-terrorism fraud" and no one in the federal government cares. (Embarrassment) Those same Rangers, Special Forces and SEALS are trained to discern friend or foe in a split second and send the would-be bad guy to meet his maker.
My money is also on them to discern a "counter-terrorism" fraud and expose them as such.

The sheeple in DHS, DOD, ATF, DEA, federal, state and local law enforcement etc. etc.etc. hiring these frauds this is your wake up call.

[dr. mabuse]

Except that it would cost $$ and time, would like to get one of those "International Anti-Terror School Hat - Black".

I could sell it to some Airsofter-mall-ninja here in Dallas for a premium.

Too funny.

[Streck-Fu]

Holy cow that is damning. The most simple effort in vetting should have exposed such discrepancies in claims.

[bubblehead]

It's interesting why SGM John "Andy" Anderson (ret.) would stand beside someone like Giduck.

[fasteddie565]

Originally Posted by bubblehead

It's interesting why SGM John "Andy" Anderson (ret.) would stand beside someone like Giduck.

It appears that this guy, John Giduck has duped many older SF guys into thinking he is something he is not. Until now they have had no reason to doubt his legitimacy.

As we can see, the truth has changed.

Here is a good synopsis I found on the situation.

A good read for you law enforcement folks out there as well.

[Richard]

I know Beaver and John Anderson - can't believe they're involved with this guy's kalokohan.

Richard

[Guy]

Originally Posted by Richard

I know Beaver and John Anderson - can't believe they're involved with this guy's kalokohan.

Richard

Let'em know that: "I'd walk out of the room IF, either showed up to speak!"

Guy

[Team Sergeant]

This was mentioned at Socnet and worth mentioning again:

Something that is quite amusing about Giduck's Russian contacts/training/visits, if they were true, is that he's stating he was "training" with the Russian Special Operations Forces at the same time US Army Special Forces is training foreign nationals (mujahideen) to kill them?

And Giduck is a lawyer and fully understands "conflict of interest" yet he calls himself a patriot?

So at the height of the cold war this individual is training with our arch enemies and the FBI/CIA never knew?

And let me get this straight, now US Gov. agencies are paying Giduck with my tax dollars to teach them? (I do believe this belongs in the Comedy section.)

John Giduck please join our website, we'd enjoy discussing Russian SOF training during the 80's and why they failed so miserably...... (Probably because US Army Special Forces got involved in Afghanistan after the Russian invasion we taught the Mujahideen to kill Russian SOF by the barrel full.)

[Polypro]

He outed (with the help of the SOA) and is smearing (as in this is an ongoing thing with him) an AD SF NCO, for a grand total of 3 posts in two days...the result of which was basically deferring to Meyer and staying out of it. It's friggen BS. A friggen civilian comes after a BROTHER for nothing (please, find me something that warrants this...I see nothing but the worry about some individuals wallets) and It pisses me off. It doubly pisses me off that his own stooges brought the issue to the forefront in the first place. It sure as heck better piss off every single person that was in any SOF unit in the history of this country. Thanks for bringing this issue up over here.

P