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Old 09-23-2004, 19:18   #1
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Latest Swift Boat Ad

This will leave a mark. Anyone see it yet? I missed the preview the other night on Hannity and Colmes.


New Swift-Vet Ad Recounts Kerry Making 'Friends' in Paris
By Steve Roeder
Talon News
September 23, 2004

(Talon News) -- In the sixth and latest ad by The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Sen. John F. Kerry (D-MA) is compared to Vietnam War protester "Hanoi" Jane Fonda as a man the U.S. cannot trust because he, like Fonda, betrayed the U.S. when he met with North Vietnamese communist leaders during the Vietnam War.

"Friends," the most recent television ad by the organization consisting of 254 veterans who served in the Navy at the same time as Kerry, continues their challenge of the Democratic presidential candidate's Vietnam record and activism. With a $1.3 million budget, the ad will air in the five battleground states of Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Mexico, Nevada, and West Virginia. It also will be shown nationally on cable television networks through the end of the month.

The five-image advertisement, which can be viewed at www.Swiftvets.com, refers to a meeting Kerry had in early 1971 with leaders of the communist delegation that was negotiating with U.S. representatives at the Paris peace talks. The ad states:

"Even before Jane Fonda went to Hanoi to meet with the enemy and mock America, John Kerry secretly met with enemy leaders in Paris."

"Though we were still at war and Americans were being held in North Vietnamese prison camps."

"Then he returned and accused American troops of committing war crimes on a daily basis."

"Eventually Jane Fonda apologized for her activities, but John Kerry refuses to."

"In a time of war, can America trust a man who betrayed his country?"

Kerry, in a leadership role with "Vietnam Veterans Against the [Vietnam] War," testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in April 1971.

"I have been to Paris," Kerry said. "I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and Provisional Revolutionary Government (PRG)".

In 1971, Kerry called a press conference in Washington and urged President Nixon to accept the seven-point surrender plan of Madame Nguyen Thi Binh.

Kerry's campaign said earlier this year that he met with Madame Binh, then the foreign minister of the PRG, a South Vietnamese communist group with ties to the Viet Cong and a top negotiator at the talks. Kerry acknowledged in that testimony that even going to the peace talks as a private citizen was at the "borderline" of what was permissible under U.S. law.

Jerome Corsi, co-author of the best-selling book "Unfit for Command," states that Kerry's 1970 meeting with North Vietnamese communists violated U.S. law. Corsi, who has studied the anti-war movement for over 30 years, indicates that U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953 prohibits a U.S. citizen from going abroad to negotiate with a foreign government.

In "Unfit for Command," Corsi and co-author John O'Neill write, "Had Madame Binh herself been permitted to appear at the July 22, 1971 press conference instead of John Kerry, the most noticeable difference in the argument presented might have been the absence of a Boston accent."

Kerry should be grateful that President Abraham Lincoln was not in office. Said Lincoln of similar actions: "Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged."

Kerry's campaign spokesman, Michael Meehan, claims that Kerry was in Paris on his honeymoon with his first wife, Julia Thorne. Meehan contends that Kerry, who was still a member of the naval reserves, did not go with the intention of meeting with the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong leaders.

However, historian Douglas Brinkley, who authored "Tour of Duty," a book about Kerry's military service, differs. He said Kerry's extensive fact-finding trip to Paris was done after his honeymoon.

"He was on the fringes but he was proud of it," Brinkley wrote. "[H]e wanted to make his own evaluation of the situation."

Just one year earlier, Kerry had made his own evaluation in the Harvard Crimson concerning troop deployment.

"I'm an internationalist," Kerry said. "I'd like to see our troops dispersed through [sic] the world only at the directive of the United Nations."

In an interview Tuesday, O'Neill said it would be "unprecedented" for a future commander-in-chief to have met with enemy leaders.

"It would be like an American today meeting with the heads of al Qaeda," said O'Neill.

Kerry campaign spokesman Chad Clanton attempted to discredit the Swift Boat group.

"This is more trash from a group that's doing the Bush campaign's dirty work," Clanton said. "Their charges are as credible as a supermarket rag."

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This will leave a mark. Anyone see it yet? I missed the preview the other night on Hannity and Colmes.

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LOLOLOLOLOLOL That's going to hurt.... I wonder if his wife is kicking his ass and asking,

"Did you really F***ing say that???"

Lt. Rassmann what do you think about your hero now?

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Old 09-23-2004, 19:47   #3
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He better be careful or Mrs. Ketchup-Face will lump him into the "idiot and/or scumbag" category.
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Charges? What charges? It all appears to me to be a presentation of factual events that occurred. Until sKerry comes out and says "That is a lie", or "I did not say that", how can anyone believe otherwise? The truth hurts, don't it John?
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Corsi, who has studied the anti-war movement for over 30 years, indicates that U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953 prohibits a U.S. citizen from going abroad to negotiate with a foreign government.
So, can we lock up Jesse "The Piehole" Jackson under this as well? Two birds with one stone.
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Charges? What charges? It all appears to me to be a presentation of factual events that occurred. Until sKerry comes out and says "That is a lie", or "I did not say that", how can anyone believe otherwise? The truth hurts, don't it John?
They charged him with treason: "In a time of war, can America trust a man who betrayed his country?" As vile as many of the things Kerry has done are, he is not a traitor.
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Corsi, who has studied the anti-war movement for over 30 years, indicates that U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953 prohibits a U.S. citizen from going abroad to negotiate with a foreign government.
So, can we lock up Jesse "The Piehole" Jackson under this as well? Two birds with one stone.
As has been discussed elsewhere, the Logan Act (18 U.S.C. 953) is a non-starter. It was enacted in 1799. Since then, exactly two people have been charged with violating it and no one has been convicted. It is very likely unconstitutional.
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They charged him with treason: "In a time of war, can America trust a man who betrayed his country?" As vile as many of the things Kerry has done are, he is not a traitor.
I disagree. My take on him is that he is a traitor. He has provided aid and comfort to enemies of the United States on three occassions and possibly more.

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As has been discussed elsewhere, the Logan Act (18 U.S.C. 953) is a non-starter. It was enacted in 1799. Since then, exactly two people have been charged with violating it and no one has been convicted. It is very likely unconstitutional.
Isn't that decision up to the Supreme Court? How about someone prosecuting Kerry under it and we can see if it can make it to the SC.
 
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They charged him with treason: "In a time of war, can America trust a man who betrayed his country?" As vile as many of the things Kerry has done are, he is not a traitor.
That's not a charge, it's just a statement. Whether or not what he did is traitorous is debatable.
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LOL the Swift Boats Vets are Classic! What a travisty campagin finance reform turned out to be... Forget about the real issues... I think we should put O'Neil and Soros in the Octagon. Whoever wins forgot about getting anything meaningful done the next four years. Barbara Tuchman was right.

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I think the real story is that a grassroots Republican/conservative group with just a couple of hundred members and a very small budget managed to turn a campaign when the Dems/Libs 527s had 100 times more money, many times more people working for them, and the major media in their hip pockets. Campaign finance reform?

Then CBS takes a weak case that they really wanted to believe and fully intended to sink the POTUS with, self-destructs, stonewalls, and destroys one of their major producers, one of the Big Three evening anchors, their own remaining credibility, and their bottom line. Big media impartiality?

Now it appears that the Klintonistas working for Kerry may not be helping out in the way he hoped they would. There's a shock!

Gotta love the way this is playing out so far.

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Then CBS takes a weak case that they really wanted to believe and fully intended to sink the POTUS with, self-destructs, stonewalls, and destroys one of their major producers, one of the Big Three evening anchors, their own remaining credibility, and their bottom line. Big media impartiality?
Anyone else note that this story was aired on day one of what the Kerry campaign calls "Operation Fortunate Son"?
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I think the real story is that a grassroots Republican/conservative group with just a couple of hundred members and a very small budget managed to turn a campaign when the Dems/Libs 527s had 100 times more money, many times more people working for them, and the major media in their hip pockets. Campaign finance reform?

Then CBS takes a weak case that they really wanted to believe and fully intended to sink the POTUS with, self-destructs, stonewalls, and destroys one of their major producers, one of the Big Three evening anchors, their own remaining credibility, and their bottom line. Big media impartiality?

Now it appears that the Klintonistas working for Kerry may not be helping out in the way he hoped they would. There's a shock!

Gotta love the way this is playing out so far.

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???? All of the Major Media Outlets are owned by Conservative Republicans including CBS whose parent company (General Electiric) has givin tremendous amounts of money to Republican candidates. Bush had rasied the largest amount of money in the history of a presidential campaign. The Potus doen't not need outside help to sink his campaign if folks would just sort through the spin on both sides then his sorry record would speak for itself. I don't see how the liberal media bias comes into play either. Disney (who owns ABC) refused to distribute Farehenhiet 9/11 (which by the way is the larget grossing U.S. Documentry in History and full of it's own lies and distortions) What saddens me is that my own party THE REPUBLICANS have to lie, spin, and rely on fear and personal attacks to win a presidential elecction and we have the worst President in the history of the United States as our candidate. By the way by simply putting "Our Leaders in Congress" into all of his ads The Bush team has managed to circumvent campaign finance reform altogether.

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???? All of the Major Media Outlets are owned by Conservative Republicans including CBS whose parent company (General Electiric) has givin tremendous amounts of money to Republican candidates. Bush had rasied the largest amount of money in the history of a presidential campaign. The Potus doen't not need outside help to sink his campaign if folks would just sort through the spin on both sides then his sorry record would speak for itself. I don't see how the liberal media bias comes into play either. Disney (who owns ABC) refused to distribute Farehenhiet 9/11 (which by the way is the larget grossing U.S. Documentry in History and full of it's own lies and distortions) What saddens me is that my own party THE REPUBLICANS have to lie, spin, and rely on fear and personal attacks to win a presidential elecction and we have the worst President in the history of the United States as our candidate. By the way by simply putting "Our Leaders in Congress" into all of his ads The Bush team has managed to circumvent campaign finance reform altogether.

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And who do you think the Republican nominee should be?

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And who do you think the Republican nominee should be?

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McCain of course.

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McCain of course.

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