12-05-2011, 20:46
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USN Switch To Biofuels @ 4 Times The Cost of Oil
What budget crisis?
Our tax dollars at work... 
Navy’s Big Biofuel Bet: 450,000 Gallons at 4 Times the Price of Oil
Wired, 5 Dec 2011
The Navy just signed deals to buy 450,000 gallons of biofuels — arguably the biggest purchase of its kind in U.S. government history. The purchase is a significant step for Navy Secretary Ray Mabus’ plans to transform the service into an energy-efficient fleet. But at approximately $15 per gallon — nearly four times the price of traditional fuel — the new fuels won’t come cheap.
(Cont'd) http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/navy-biofuels/
And so it effin' goes...
Richard 
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12-05-2011, 21:36
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It's "energy efficient" because now the fleet can travel one fourth the distance at four times the cost.
On a different note, I wonder which of our esteemed leaders stock portfolios are on the rise after this money maker of a sale to the US Navy. 
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12-05-2011, 21:43
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We are doomed. 
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12-05-2011, 22:03
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Originally Posted by Sarski
It's "energy efficient" because now the fleet can travel one fourth the distance at four times the cost.
On a different note, I wonder which of our esteemed leaders stock portfolios are on the rise after this money maker of a sale to the US Navy. |
I'd place a wager on Al Gore!!!
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12-06-2011, 09:04
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I was always under the impression that biofuels were meant to be CHEAPER alternatives to regular petroleum based fuels.
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12-06-2011, 09:23
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Yes, more expensive. But it makes you feel sooooo much better....
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12-06-2011, 10:11
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Quote:
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I was always under the impression that biofuels were meant to be CHEAPER alternatives to regular petroleum based fuels.
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I don't think you missed anything sir, they were. Depends on which side of the subsidy you're on. Just ask the cornbelt if they'd like to hear someone declare ethanol didn't quite work out like "they" planned. Oops, I forgot that's the IA caucuses' third-rail.
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12-06-2011, 16:36
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They have to buy because they don't have that of their own to recycle, their bacon grease is used elsewhere  
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12-06-2011, 16:52
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The Navy is going green! It's just another Solyndra, calm down. These people know what they're doing.
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12-06-2011, 16:52
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We should just import more oil from other nations.
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12-06-2011, 17:41
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http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/11...rning-biofuel/
Here is an article on a current bio fuel experiment Alaska Air was doing, of special interest is the cost, way higher than regular aviation fuel. In the future they expect aviation fuel to be much more and bio fuel less as it develops, I suppose it is good they are all looking to the future? The other aspect, as mentioned above is emissions, also dependency.
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12-06-2011, 18:20
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We should just import more oil from other nations.
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We should drill for the oil under the Oklahoma land that my sister and I own the mineral rights on. 
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12-06-2011, 18:36
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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004
I remember they tried using biodiesel with schoolbuses in some place and what happened is the biodiesel gels at a warmer temperature than regular diesel, so the schoolbuses wouldn't start on a cold morning.
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Add some grain alcohol to keep from congealing?
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12-06-2011, 23:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Golf1echo
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/11...rning-biofuel/
Here is an article on a current bio fuel experiment Alaska Air was doing, of special interest is the cost, way higher than regular aviation fuel. In the future they expect aviation fuel to be much more and bio fuel less as it develops, I suppose it is good they are all looking to the future? The other aspect, as mentioned above is emissions, also dependency.
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I think if the cost of aviation fuel is expected to go that high, gasoline is not far behind. We can probably forget about cars and driving, few of us could afford it. I'd rather keep my fingers crossed and hope neither goes that high, but at least one is there already.
The price to come down for biofuel? Maybe when the price for unleaded gas comes down; but that hasn't been the case. I wonder why folks might think it would be different with this fuel source?
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12-07-2011, 07:35
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I don't see anything changing in terms of the will of the American people to engage in harvesting their own resources until there is a sea-change in the way Americans look at their place in the world. For too many (imo) being middle of the pack is OK by them.
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