House Approves Concealed Firearm Permit Bill

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[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

IF it gets past the senate the POTUS will probably veto it.

I think this is excellent timing so that voters know before the next election just where their elected representatives stand on the Second Amendment.

TR

[cat in the hat]

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"The legislation would "make it easier for law-abiding permit holders to know that they are simply in compliance with the law when they carry a firearm as they travel," he said. "

not exactly correct. different states have different rules for CCW.
for example, in Colorado, it is legal to carry into an establishment that sells alcohol as long as the individual is not "under the influence" some states do not allow carry into bars or restaurants at all. CCW holders will need to do their own research before carrying in other states.

also, some states have loose guidelines for issuing. again, Colorado accepts a DD-214 as proof of CCW/firearm safety training. I cannot be the only person who knows a veteran that has never even touched a handgun. on the flip side, Nevada has an actual qualification that permit holders must meet before being issued their permit.

i like the idea of this bill but there are some ignorant people out there who will make some stupid mistakes.

[Streck-Fu]

No matter what, this law is a good thing.

There will be issues with behavior that come up. Mostly, I think, is that people will not research the laws of the states they travel to. Some states do not allow carry into places that serve alcohol while others like Indiana do....or like Virginia where you cannot conceal where is alcohol is consumed but you must open carry.

People will be ignorant of local laws and get to meet a few police officers.


However, no matter what, this is still good because finally they are trying to pass a law that increases liberty.


And I think the concern over competency with a handgun is nearly moot ..... You are far more likely to be killed by a distracted driver than someone with a gun on their hip.
Overall, people that bother to get carry permits are very safety conscious and aware of their responsibilities. Though it is true that there are idiots in every crowd, this law would not change state laws or requirements nor make it easier for otherwise unqualified individuals to get permits so the number of people with permits will not increase by much.

[Oldrotorhead]

I hope Mayor Bloomberg is shitting razor wire. I don't think the Senate will pass this bill and I know the President will not sign it, but it forces some political hacks to take a stand one way or the other.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by cat in the hat

i like the idea of this bill but there are some ignorant people out there who will make some stupid mistakes.

True, but if you put into the perspective of the universally accepted drivers license, the ease of getting a license or the ease at which a automobile can be purchased 10 of millions of us drive daily, the few that do stupid with the 2000-3000lbs. projectile and the fact that we accept the associated accidents as common place AND any person adjudicated as mentally ill has the right to own a car, have a drivers license and drive.....

Put it in that perspective there is absolutely no reason your CCH/CCW shouldn't be accepted in all 50 States.


That said, there is nothing to say that BiG FED won't institute some National Carry Law (a Trojan Horse) that supersedes the various State Law.........which may not be a good thing.

[sinjefe]

Originally Posted by Streck-Fu

No matter what, this law is a good thing.

There will be issues with behavior that come up. Mostly, I think, is that people will not research the laws of the states they travel to. Some states do not allow carry into places that serve alcohol while others like Indiana do....or like Virginia where you cannot conceal where is alcohol is consumed but you must open carry.

People will be ignorant of local laws and get to meet a few police officers.


However, no matter what, this is still good because finally they are trying to pass a law that increases liberty.


And I think the concern over competency with a handgun is nearly moot ..... You are far more likely to be killed by a distracted driver than someone with a gun on their hip.
Overall, people that bother to get carry permits are very safety conscious and aware of their responsibilities. Though it is true that there are idiots in every crowd, this law would not change state laws or requirements nor make it easier for otherwise unqualified individuals to get permits so the number of people with permits will not increase by much.

The last thing we need from congress is ANY more laws. I think we can get along fine without anymore of their meddling.

[Streck-Fu]

Originally Posted by sinjefe

The last thing we need from congress is ANY more laws. I think we can get along fine without anymore of their meddling.

I agree on most accounts...but think this law is a good one....and, no, I don't think it will pass the Senate.

[Badger52]

Am betting this will be the one thing where Mugabe will come out and concede that "at a time when many complain about encroachment of the Federal government in their lives, clearly this is something that should be decided among the states." (Cue VETO stamp, with faerie dust sprinkled on top.)

[greenberetTFS]

Oh yee of little faith.........

Big Teddy

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by greenberetTFS

Oh yee of little faith.........

Big Teddy

LOL. As the Shaman said, "...we'll see."

[longrange1947]

Originally Posted by sinjefe

The last thing we need from congress is ANY more laws. I think we can get along fine without anymore of their meddling.

AGREED!!

As much as I like the idea, I am afraid this can be used as a precedent to force even more Federal laws onto states.

Also, the fact that more people are killed with cars than guns do not stop the great idiots from using every incident as an example for more gun control. This would then become the platform for "see, told you so" at every chance and the MSM will show every incident in the worse light possible.

As also mentioned, I can now see a reason for the federal gov't to step in and set up a "minimum standard" for concealed t carry. That alone gives me the shivers. Think Lautenburg and his tax the ammo out of existence.

I see way more bad than good and yes, I can see the "great one" vetoing it.

"Glass half empty" type of guy here, since in my years I have come to realize that once the Feds get their fingers on something they turn it to s**t.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by longrange1947

As also mentioned, I can now see a reason for the federal gov't to step in and set up a "minimum standard" for concealed carry. That alone gives me the shivers.

Bad enough that many states' deadly force laws are phrased to enumerate conditions under which someone has the privilege of self-defense.

What the G giveth the G can taketh away, whether they use the Interstate Commerce Catch-All mechanism to do it or not. I understand what the intent is of a few with this law; just a bit more than jaded about intent of the collective and I mean that in the most perjorative sense.

"No State shall convert a liberty into a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor." --Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 US 105, US Supreme Court, [1943]


I'd rather see them come to work some morning, rub their hands together with a gleam in their eye, and say,

"It's a wonderful day! Let's get to work right now this morning on that list of things we're going to REPEAL or DE-FUND, and get it done by close of business."

[cat in the hat]

I agree we do not need any more laws but this is also a second amendment issue at heart.

maybe instead of this bill, there should be a "federal" CCW permit. it could involve a thorough back ground check, and an even more thorough training requirement to include a realistic qualification with the weapon carried.
this would be similar to the commercial drivers license.

most people are going to be satisfied carrying in and around their own area but lots of people would benefit from something like this.

[bluebb]

So ya'll agree with the Federal Government telling the states what to do?

Blue