09-18-2004, 16:09
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Femoral Shock
Has anyone heard of this or tried it?
I read some where, that you can knock out or incapacitate an individual by kicking them really hard in the femoral artery. Like a stomp kick, you would use to kick open a door. Used primarily during an assault when your hands are full and you don't want to double tap an individual but just put them down on the ground.
I don't want to violate any OPSEC here about assaults, CQB or (my new favorite) FISH, I'm speaking specifically of the stomp kick to the Femoral Artery.
Does it work? Or is it a load of crap?
Thank you for your input.
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09-18-2004, 16:26
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Originally Posted by Smokin Joe
Has anyone heard of this or tried it?
I read some where, that you can knock out or incapacitate an individual by kicking them really hard in the femoral artery. Like a stomp kick, you would use to kick open a door. Used primarily during an assault when your hands are full and you don't want to double tap an individual but just put them down on the ground.
I don't want to violate any OPSEC here about assaults, CQB or (my new favorite) FISH, I'm speaking specifically of the stomp kick to the Femoral Artery.
Does it work? Or is it a load of crap?
Thank you for your input.
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I have seen (once) and heard of this type of thing being done but I would not rely on it working consistantly enough to depend on when I needed it to work.
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09-18-2004, 16:36
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There are several strikes of this nature that will put down or render unconscience but as Air said, I would not rely on any of them. I saw a neck strick take a guy down thursday night. Damndest thing I ever saw.
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09-18-2004, 17:10
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100% Reliablity
I fully appericate what you guys are saying. Nothing is 100% effective, its just something else to put in your tool bag. I just want to know if it is worth putting IN my tool bag.
Thanks for your replys they are appericated
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09-18-2004, 19:07
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There is a kick in the combatives sytem I was taught. It targets the outer thigh and the associated lumbar plexus neves, probably mostly the lateral femoral cutaneous and to a lesser extent the femoral nerve. It is difficult to do and requires a kind of swinging up and over to strike downwards on the outer thigh. while effective if done correctly, I found it to be hit or miss and while the misses still hurt like hell, only a hit will drop them.
The neck shot is much easier and produces the desired results more frequently IMO. Especially with the axe hand.
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09-18-2004, 19:19
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Speaking as the experienced training dummy from a PPCT class, a mid-powered hammerfist to the side of the neck will leave you dazed and confused. I'm pretty sure a full-power strike would put someone down RFN. As for the femoral strike, during the same class, we did half-speed strikes to the inner and outer thigh (trying to hit the nerve NDD spoke about) and while it hurt like hell, I don't think you'd get rapid incapacitation from it. Sure, they'll probably have the charlie horse of their lives and fall down, but as you know down doesn't equal out.
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09-18-2004, 19:22
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Kelly McCann did it on me and it put me right out, but he is Kelly McCann and although I managed to get it once or twice, it is hard to do.
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09-18-2004, 19:52
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NDD,
Me no understand lateral cu...cotani....ah whatever here are some pics about what I'm thinking about.
Pic 1:
I believe this is were the strike should occur. Granted its done with enough force that even if it doesn't knock the guy out its probably going to blow out his knee.
Pic 2:
NDD is this what you are talking about?
(hope this works)
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09-18-2004, 19:54
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About where the red line is on the 2nd pic, on the upper thigh.
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09-18-2004, 19:58
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
About where the red line is on the 2nd pic, on the upper thigh.
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Gee thanks...I'll pass your approval on to the Sheriff.
Ya, I'm at work and we are slow (knock on wood)
So your talking about striking on the center line of the thigh, right behind the front thigh muscle?
Thanks again for the input gentlemen.
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09-18-2004, 21:02
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Right, (10 characters)
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09-18-2004, 21:27
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While it's always nice to have new techniques to put into your toolbag (or man-bag, for some of the other members here  ), I would say that if you're going to be kicking like that, you may as well just go for the nuts, or stomp a knee. Like NDD was getting at, yeah, it could be a good technique with lots and lots of practice and some luck; but for the down and dirty, why risk missing and just giving the guy a charlie horse? I've seen a whole lot more people go down from getting kicked in the junk than from femoral shock.
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09-18-2004, 21:57
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While it's always nice to have new techniques to put into your toolbag (or man-bag, for some of the other members here ), I would say that if you're going to be kicking like that, you may as well just go for the nuts, or stomp a knee. Like NDD was getting at, yeah, it could be a good technique with lots and lots of practice and some luck; but for the down and dirty, why risk missing and just giving the guy a charlie horse? I've seen a whole lot more people go down from getting kicked in the junk than from femoral shock. |
Very true but I like to fight like a surgeon operates: Clear, Concise, and effective. Don't get me wrong if it goes to hell I will scrap, gouge eyes (to the second nuckle), pull the groin, spit, scratch whatever it takes to get the job done. But if I have my pick I want to use the most effective, fastest techinques I can to get the job done.
Additionally Dan I have seen guys take full on kicks to the 'junk' and not go down. It was a Martial Arts School in central California, they trained to take full on kicks and punches to the groin without it effecting them. Almost made me wanna puke just watching these guys get lifted off of the ground by forces of these kicks. 
Well I guess the concenous is that this is not something I want to put in my toolbag.
Thanks all for the input........anymore would be greatly appericated.
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09-18-2004, 22:17
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Yeah Joe, I wouldn't bother with it much. There are much better things to practice IMO.
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09-19-2004, 12:59
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Additionally Dan I have seen guys take full on kicks to the 'junk' and not go down.
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Oh, absolutely. I think just about all of us would agree that there is no single foolproof technique that will work every time--if there were, there'd be a whole lot of instructors out of business. My point was simply that if it gets down to it, going for the groin will most likely get you a more dramatic effect.
I don't think we're really disagreeing here, though.
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