U.S. General Fired for Karzai Remark

[abc_123]

And another one down...

Maj. Gen. Peter Fuller, deputy commander of the NATO training mission in Afghanistan, made the remarks in an interview with Politico that was published Thursday.

Fuller told Politico that major players in the Afghan government are "isolated from reality." Fuller reacted angrily to claims from Karzai that Afghanistan would side with Pakistan if it were to go to war with the United States...

The above is just a warmup. The quotes that got him canned are later in the article... MG Fuller, you just spoke the truth and got fired for it.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...#ixzz1cv7gXXPY

[Don]

Absolutely loved this line...

"You can teach a man how to fish, or you can give them a fish," Fuller said. "We're giving them fish while they're learning, and they want more fish! [They say,] 'I like swordfish, how come you're giving me cod?' Guess what? Cod's on the menu today."

But, you know, comments like this had to have been thought out. Maybe the end result was the intended result.

BTW...reminded me of this quote...

"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day...Set a man on fire, and hell be warm for the rest of his life."

[abc_123]

Originally Posted by Don

Maybe the end result was the intended result.

Yup. A frustrated, pissed off, GO that knows he's not going to get his third star and has enough years in to retire who just doesn't give a shit.

I agree, the fish quote was awesome.

[Guy]

Or is most of the MSM not covering this?

Stay safe.

[Don]

Originally Posted by Guy

Or is most of the MSM not covering this?

Stay safe.

You are right. A Google search of "MG Fuller Fired" returns results of Military.com, ebayrefugee.com, Professional Soldiers.com (we were the #5 listing...three above Michal Yon-online ) and a couple other message boards.

That's pretty darn strange.

Maybe after it was shown that a little known MIL-blogger with a camera was able to get two generals fired...GOs getting sacked are just not newsworthy "sport" anymore.

[Surgicalcric]

Thank you Sir for saying what needs to be said instead of whats popular.

.."These unfortunate comments are neither indicative of our current solid relationship with the government of Afghanistan, its leadership, or our joint commitment to prevail here in Afghanistan", Allen said.

Solid relationship... WTF is he smoking? Solid relationships arent built on telling us you will side with Pakistan if they go to war with us; thats a tenuous relationship at best...

Crip

[Dusty]

I like this Officer.

[SF_BHT]

I have a few rounds for Maj. Gen. Peter Fuller. I applaud him for speaking the Truth when so many will not.

Sir you have my respect and do not change a bit.

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by abc_123;423143[B

Yup. A frustrated, pissed off, GO that knows he's not going to get his third star and has enough years in to retire who just doesn't give a shit.[/B]

Agree totally with abc_123............. Well said Sir...... GUTS!........

Big Teddy

[Airbornelawyer]

Originally Posted by Surgicalcric

Solid relationship... WTF is he smoking? Solid relationships arent built on telling us you will side with Pakistan if they go to war with us; thats a tenuous relationship at best...

Crip

To be charitable, or maybe just contrarian, two other possible interpretations:

1. Allen's view of the "solid relationship" is with the government as a whole, especially the Western-trained ANA which is less dominated by Pushtuns than Karzai's bureaucracy. So he is discounting Karzai's statement and hinting that perhaps Karzai is the one smoking something if he thinks the Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras of the ANA are going to fight on the side of a pro-Taliban Pakistani war effort.

2. Perhaps Karzai is just blowing smoke up the Pakistanis' ass, knowing how paranoid the Pakistanis are. As a Pushtun, Karzai could easily see siding with the US in a war with Pakistan as a way of carving out the Pashto-speaking parts of Pakistan to create a Greater Pushtunistan. He knows this, and he knows the Pakistanis know this, so he tells them what they want to hear.

The Pakistanis have been concerned about the Afghan threat to Pakistani territorial integrity since Pakistan was founded. The Afghan monarchy was Pushtun and favored Greater Pushtunistan, even if not publicly for fear of antagonizing Islamabad. The Soviets, in their pursuit of the Great Game originally between the Russian and British Empires, also sought to piecemeal carve up the region and reach the Indian Ocean. So the Soviets overthrew the Afghan regime, supported Baluch separatists in Pakistan and Iran, and made plans to carve up Afghanistan. The Soviet endgame would have seen the Tajik and Uzbek parts of Afghanistan annexed to the Tajik and Uzbek SSRs, with a predominantly Pushtun rump Afghanistan to annex Pakistan's Pushtun regions, and an "independent" Baluchistan as a proxy state reaching the Indian Ocean.

So during the Afghan-Soviet War, the Pakistanis opposed the Soviets, but they also undermined the royalist mujahideen parties because they were heavily Pushtun-nationalist, as well as the Islamist party of Burhanuddin Rabbani and Ahmad Shah Massoud, because it was heavily Tajik. Instead, the Pakistanis sought an Afghan proxy which would be Pushtun but Islamist rather than ethnic nationalist, and thus not a threat to Pakistan's integrity. They found this first in Gulbuddin Hekmatyar's Hezb-e Islami, but he proved ineffective despite receiving the lion's share of aid to the mujahideen (channeled through the ISI), so they created the Taliban, recruited from the madrasas run by Pakistan's Islamist movements.

Also, as with the Iraqi relationship with Iran, the local leaders know that while the US can up and leave at pretty much any time (and the current administration has made it clear just how much it wants to go home), the Afghans will always be next to the Pakistanis (and the Iraqis will always be next to the Iranians), so manipulating those local relationships will always take priority.

Originally Posted by Don

You are right. A Google search of "MG Fuller Fired" returns results of Military.com, ebayrefugee.com, Professional Soldiers.com (we were the #5 listing...three above Michal Yon-online ) and a couple other message boards.

That's pretty darn strange.

Maybe after it was shown that a little known MIL-blogger with a camera was able to get two generals fired...GOs getting sacked are just not newsworthy "sport" anymore.

Google "major general peter fuller", "general peter fuller", or just "peter fuller, and you'll get plenty of MSM hits.

[ODA CDR (RET)]

good men do we have to lose from forced retirement to getting killing by Afghan traitors or road side bombs before we get the hell out of that shit hole.

[Guy]

Originally Posted by WCH

Google "major general peter fuller", "general peter fuller", or just "peter fuller, and you'll get plenty of MSM hits.

Then go below the name and read who's the article linked to....

AL,

Good post however, if I just gave you $11+ BILLION! I'd expect some type of gratitude.

BTW...I hope they gave it to them in a check that they haven't cashed yet because--that SOB would bounce like big breast on a trampoline!

Stay safe.

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by Guy

Then go below the name and read who's the article linked to....

AL,

Good post however, if I just gave you $11+ BILLION! I'd expect some type of gratitude.

BTW...I hope they gave it to them in a check that they haven't cashed yet because--that SOB would bounce like big breast on a trampoline!

Stay safe.

Hay little ones bounce too........

[Guy]

Originally Posted by SF_BHT

Hay little ones bounce too........

They do however, they're only worth a few thousand.....

Stay safe.