09-23-2011, 00:28
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Texas School Punishes Boy for Opposing Homosexuality
If this is true, how far will it go?
Does this teacher have an agenda?
Why do public schools tolerate these kinds of teachers, once again, if it is true?
Have heard enough horror stories from parents as it is.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/22...est=latestnews
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09-23-2011, 04:17
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If it is wrong to opose
If it is wrong to oppose it in class then it should be wrong to "agree" with it in class - unless of course you have an agenda you're pushing.
Public school - little robots being built in the liberal model.
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09-23-2011, 04:35
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The only stategy many parents have at present is home schooling.
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09-23-2011, 05:37
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Dusty,
Agreed........  Richard was a Principle in the Dallas-Fort Worth area I believe,it would be interesting if he would comment on how he would of handled this....... 
Big Teddy 
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09-23-2011, 05:41
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Originally Posted by Pete
If it is wrong to oppose it in class then it should be wrong to "agree" with it in class - unless of course you have an agenda you're pushing...an agenda...
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09-23-2011, 06:36
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I believe,it would be interesting if he would comment on how he would of handled this.......
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I also think it would be interesting.
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09-23-2011, 06:47
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This was in the news around here a couple of days ago and has passed on.
Apparently the boy got into trouble more for the ' language' he used vs the claims he made with his ffolkes in front of the news cameras that he was punished merely because he didn't believe in homosexuality based on his family's religious views - his personal narrative has changed slightly in the telling of it all.
The Principal's reversal of the initial punishment tells me that the Assistant Principal may have over-reacted and we don't know of his interactions with that person, but we won't know the 'whole' story on this, either, as schools, like about everyone else nowadays, don't comment on details of such personal matters IAW existing privacy laws and policies.
One thing you quickly discover in education - there are MANY agendas out there.
And so it goes...
Richard 
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09-23-2011, 07:03
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Originally Posted by Dusty
The only stategy many parents have at present is home schooling.
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Or getting their child a religious based education.
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09-23-2011, 07:29
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One thing you quickly discover in education - there are MANY agendas out there.
And so it goes...
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Roger that. Making sure kids know it's cool for Heather to have two mommies is just one. Learning to put a condom on a cucumber by age 8 and that it's wrong to cite the Lord's Prayer in public are a couple others.
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09-23-2011, 09:42
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Had more than a few teachers/professors feel that class time was their prime time to air private grievances/family issues/boyfriend-girlfriend issues/agendas. Sometimes their views were expressed with language that was completely inappropriate, even in the swinging 60's and 70's.
Would specifically like to know how Richard has handled the problem of a teacher that struggles with the above problem.
Even more annoying in college ( regardless of agenda ) as it was completely on my dime.
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09-23-2011, 09:45
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Originally Posted by dr. mabuse
Would specifically like to know how Richard has handled the problem of a teacher that struggles with the above problem.
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Richard deals with it by cranking up the Dixie Chix on the PA system. :D
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09-23-2011, 10:06
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Or getting their child a religious based education.
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Aren't they also producing robots?
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09-23-2011, 11:48
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Originally Posted by dr. mabuse
Had more than a few teachers/professors feel that class time was their prime time to air private grievances/family issues/boyfriend-girlfriend issues/agendas. Sometimes their views were expressed with language that was completely inappropriate, even in the swinging 60's and 70's.
Would specifically like to know how Richard has handled the problem of a teacher that struggles with the above problem.
Even more annoying in college ( regardless of agenda ) as it was completely on my dime. |
Colleges are a different subject but in dealing with such matters with fculty (not just teachers) at the high school level, I've:
- observed
- discussed and counseled
- mentored
- taught classes to demonstrate what I expected of a teacher under such circumstances
- sent teachers to observe other teachers and to be observed by other teachers with feedback
- sent teachers to specialized training by private and public ed support centers
- investigated allegations/reviewed curriculum and required my and Department Head approval of lesson content
- held seminars to review curriculum content with parents
- suspended faculty for behavior or failure to respond to guidance
- denied faculty contract renewals for failing to meet performance expectations or to respond to guidance
- fired faculty
When dealing with similar behavior(s) by students, I've also:
- removed students from classes and enforced our school's discipline policies IAW our published student code of conduct (which had a letter of understanding and agreement which was signed by students and their families)
- counseled and placed students on a behavioral modification plan (ours was called the PGP - Personal Goals Program)
- required outside counseling at the parent's expense
- required parents to accompany their students to class in lieu of suspension
- suspended students (no credit granted for any work/exams during period of suspension) - when I suspended a stuent, I had the student call a parent from my office and explain the reason for the suspension while I sat and listened, and then spoke with the parent immediately afterwards to answer any concerns or questions - I made a short MFR of the discussion(s) immediately after we were done.
- removed students from class and had them do their assigned work while isolated in my office under my supervision
- denied students credit (WF = Withdrawn Failed) which affected their academic records
- dismissed students
And so it goes...
Richard
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09-23-2011, 13:19
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Aren't they also producing robots?
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Some maybe, others not so much.
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09-23-2011, 16:26
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behavioral modification
Sounds like good codespeak for 'W2W counseling'...I've witnessed great strides in behavioral modification using the closed door variation of W2W. 
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Colleges are a different subject but in dealing with such matters with fculty (not just teachers) at the high school level, I've:
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[*]counseled and placed students on a behavioral modification plan (ours was called the PGP - Personal Goals Program)
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And so it goes...
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