AWB Ban

[NousDefionsDoc]

Well, I understand that the oppression by Democratically elected government of socialist ass clowns that think guns are the root cause of insurgency and crime has ended in the US. Those horrible wmd known as flash suppressors, folding stocks and hi-cap mags are now legal again?

[flyboy1]

Don't forget the pistol grip and the imfamous Grenade Launcher.

This never should have passed in the first place.

[Sacamuelas]

FREEDOM

[Razor]

Originally Posted by flyboy1

Don't forget the pistol grip and the imfamous Grenade Launcher.

This never should have passed in the first place.

Grenade launcher? Don't you mean bayonet lug?

[37F5V]

Now we wait and see how long it takes them to do it again...... Get it while the getting is good!

[Kyobanim]

Why would they ban the Average White Band? They never used all those terrible things

[Bravo1-3]

Grenade Launchers were illegal?

You could have fooled me. Even in Hawaii (where, in all seriousness, they wanted to LOCK UP GUNS USED IN CRIMES at one point) there were people selling 37mm smoothbore guns at all of the gun shows. They were selling Baton, Smoke, and Bean Bag rounds for them too... and this was DURING the ban.


Now will someone PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN and remember the scurge of bayonete killings in this country before the ban!?!? OK, so it was during the Civil War... BUT WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?

[Air.177]

Grenade Launcher as in Rifle Grenade Launcher like on the Yugo SKS rifles that are coming into the Country right now.

There were 3 news crews in the show room when I got here this morning, and every 5 seconds, some yahoo calls; "Hey man that there damn ole Assault Weapon Ban Go away man?"

And it's just getting started I'm afraid.

Good Times

[Bravo1-3]

Originally Posted by Air.177

Grenade Launcher as in Rifle Grenade Launcher like on the Yugo SKS rifles that are coming into the Country right now.

Ahh, gotcha. As is, a grenade launcher that you can't get any ammo for... yep, lets make that sucker illegal post haste!

The amount of rhetoric about this on the news is unbelievable. People are talking about it now being nothing more than a gun shop visit to buy Machine Guns, Silencers, Street Sweepers etc...

Ignorance knows no bounds.

Quick question: Was the Calico covered under a different law than AWB? I had one many years ago, and while I was in the Marine Corps, the Peoples Republic of New Jersey sent an officer to my house and threatened my dad with arrest because the guns were registered to me, and stored at his house. Since I was not there, they were threatening to arrest him for possession of firearms not registered to him. They took EVERYTHING I owned at the time. I found out about it about 2 weeks later, and was given the run around by the State Police as to where they were and how to get them back. Then I got called in front of the XO, who told me that I needed to "stop bothering the police department." I got a letter about 2 months later telling me that since I had not taken any action to get them returned, the weapons in question were destroyed. Fuckers.

I want another Calico.

[Air.177]

Originally Posted by Bravo1-3

Ahh, gotcha. As is, a grenade launcher that you can't get any ammo for... yep, lets make that sucker illegal post haste!

The amount of rhetoric about this on the news is unbelievable. People are talking about it now being nothing more than a gun shop visit to buy Machine Guns, Silencers, Street Sweepers etc...

Ignorance knows no bounds.

Quick question: Was the Calico covered under a different law than AWB? I had one many years ago, and while I was in the Marine Corps, the Peoples Republic of New Jersey sent an officer to my house and threatened my dad with arrest because the guns were registered to me, and stored at his house. Since I was not there, they were threatening to arrest him for possession of firearms not registered to him. They took EVERYTHING I owned at the time. I found out about it about 2 weeks later, and was given the run around by the State Police as to where they were and how to get them back. Then I got called in front of the XO, who told me that I needed to "stop bothering the police department." I got a letter about 2 months later telling me that since I had not taken any action to get them returned, the weapons in question were destroyed. Fuckers.

I want another Calico.

Might have been a NJ state Law, Similar to NY & CA.

Unfortunately, I think that Calico arms was pretty much forced out of Business by the AWB since all they made were Hi Cap weapons.

Someone May buy the rights and start manufacturing them again though.

[pulque]

Celebrate Diversity!

[flyboy1]

Originally Posted by Razor

Grenade launcher? Don't you mean bayonet lug?

No.
The grenade launcher part is just one of the forgotten characteristics that "identify" an assault weapon that is overlooked. However it still unfortunately characterizes it as "illegal."

See stolen googlefu doc. below:



In 1994, the Federal Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 was passed. This law banned rifles that had detachable magazines and two or more of the following characteristics:

A folding or telescoping stock
A pistol grip
A bayonet mount
A flash suppressor, or threads to attach one (a flash suppressor reduces the amount of flash that the rifle shot makes. It is the small birdcage-like item on the muzzle of the rifle)
A grenade launcher.
Grenade launchers were already illegal and regulated by the ATF as "Destructive Devices". However, most militaries use an item known as a rifle grenade. This grenade attaches to the muzzle of the rifle and is launched by firing a round (or special blank round) into the base of the grenade. Since civilian flash suppressors were identical in diameter to military flash suppressors, they were capable of using this grenade (although possession of such a grenade is illegal and unlikely). For the purposes of this bill, this made these flash suppressors into "grenade launchers".

[rubberneck]

I went to the range today and about half way through my range session I turn around to find a TV camera in my face. Talk about distracting. Any way after I finish up and head out the reporter from ABC news in NYC asks me if I want to be on TV to which I say no. The guy just stood there and looked confused for a second and then asked why. I told him it was because the news media had been a foe of the second amendment and I didn't believe that they would report the story fairly. I also added that since I was on private property and had not given my consent to being filmed that I would sue them if they used footage of me on the news tonight. Bastards

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally Posted by rubberneck

I went to the range today and about half way through my range session I turn around to find a TV camera in my face. Talk about distracting. Any way after I finish up and head out the reporter from ABC news in NYC asks me if I want to be on TV to which I say no. The guy just stood there and looked confused for a second and then asked why. I told him it was because the news media had been a foe of the second amendment and I didn't believe that they would report the story fairly. I also added that since I was on private property and had not given my consent to being filmed that I would sue them if they used footage of me on the news tonight. Bastards

LOL - well done!

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by flyboy1

No.
The grenade launcher part is just one of the forgotten characteristics that "identify" an assault weapon that is overlooked. However it still unfortunately characterizes it as "illegal."

See stolen googlefu doc. below:



In 1994, the Federal Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 was passed. This law banned rifles that had detachable magazines and two or more of the following characteristics:

A folding or telescoping stock
A pistol grip
A bayonet mount
A flash suppressor, or threads to attach one (a flash suppressor reduces the amount of flash that the rifle shot makes. It is the small birdcage-like item on the muzzle of the rifle)
A grenade launcher.
Grenade launchers were already illegal and regulated by the ATF as "Destructive Devices". However, most militaries use an item known as a rifle grenade. This grenade attaches to the muzzle of the rifle and is launched by firing a round (or special blank round) into the base of the grenade. Since civilian flash suppressors were identical in diameter to military flash suppressors, they were capable of using this grenade (although possession of such a grenade is illegal and unlikely). For the purposes of this bill, this made these flash suppressors into "grenade launchers".

Not exactly.

This is my problem with the reporting of this issue.

The law DID NOT BAN ASSAULT WEAPONS!!!

1. Actual assault weapons are selective fire. The AWB did not affect them, they are regulated by other statutes beginning with the NFA of 1934.

2. The law did not ban the weapons. The AWB banned the new manufacture of 19 weapons or their look-alikes with certain irrelevant cosmetic features. Existing weapons were not affected by the law. For new manufacture, remove the offending features, legal to manufacture. To have really prohibited the weapons desired by design would have outlawed any semi-auto weapon, to include the Remington 11-87 Kerry was waving around the other day, and your Dad's old Browning Auto-5 and his Remington 742 hunting rifle. How does adding a folding stock, a bayonet lug, a pistol grip, or a flash suppressor/grenade launcher make any of these weapons more (or less) lethal?

3. The prohibited manufacture of High-Cap mags did little if anything to prevent crime because the average gunfight uses far less than the 10 rounds permitted. Incidentally, the initial version of the AWB prohibited the manufacture of reproductions of the Henry and other 1860s-70s era lever action rifles, and the tubular magazine fed .22LR auto loaders. Links and belts are also affected, though no one to my knowledge has really figured out how to mark them as post ban manufacture.

4. Credible statistics have shown that few, if any crimes are committed with these weapons (they are not the "weapons of choice" for criminals, or now, terrorists). Stats also show no effect of the AWB on crime. For all of the noise by the Police Organizations, I have yet to hear of a LEO being killed with a banned weapon that could not have been done with another non-AWB weapon or for that matter, a motor vehicle.

5. This was the tip of the iceberg for the gun-banners. Make no mistake, their eventual goal is the banning of ALL privately owned weapons, they just have to eat this elephant one bite at the time.

6. The pols know from the 1994, 1996, 2000, and 2002 elections that many gun owners are single-issue voters, and gun control is another third rail of politics. Most from outside NE and the major cities will only consider it as a rider to other legislation, as they tried to do with the Gun Manufacturer's Protection Bill earlier this year. See, they can vote for gun owners and against them at the same time. The 1986 Firearms Owner's Protection Act did that to automatic weapons.

I have more to say, but think I am probably preaching to the choir here.

Rant off.

TR