08-26-2011, 16:57
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Bronze Star awarded for fighting stress
Do you feel this service is deserving of a Bronze Star? I have heard some say yes and others say it pretty much makes the Bronze Star worthless now. What are your opinions on this?
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08-26-2011, 17:04
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I saw a female Navy CDR get awarded a BS because she commanded the MARG that off-loaded Marines in Thessaloníki, convoyed through Macedonia, and then into Kosovo.
She never went ashore.
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08-26-2011, 17:07
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It's a medal designed for bravery in combat........... 
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08-26-2011, 17:09
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BSM= Thanks for playing. Majority of them are awarded to those who never leave the FOB's.
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08-26-2011, 17:17
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BSM= Thanks for playing. Majority of them are awarded to those who never leave the FOB's.
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BSM pretty much an MSM in a combat environment. She was NOT awarded the BSV. (Bronze Star for Valor)
As a medal it's awarded for acts of merit or meritorious service.
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08-26-2011, 18:56
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BSM pretty much an MSM in a combat environment. She was NOT awarded the BSV. (Bronze Star for Valor)
As a medal it's awarded for acts of merit or meritorious service.
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Exactly.
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08-26-2011, 19:18
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BSM= Thanks for playing. Majority of them are awarded to those who never leave the FOB's.
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We call them "Fobbits", (sounds like hobbits), but smaller and less brave.
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08-26-2011, 21:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaquebite
BSM pretty much an MSM in a combat environment. She was NOT awarded the BSV. (Bronze Star for Valor)
As a medal it's awarded for acts of merit or meritorious service.
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I agree brother, but pound fer pound, I can count on my hands how many MSM recipients I know versus the MULTITUDE of BSM's I have seen awarded.
TBH though, this is an issue I cannot pretend to have an answer to fix, as I do not truly feel I can understand how broken the award system has become.
Case in point: I am noticing that the MOH is rotating through service branches lately. My shiny quarter hiding in my pocket says the next MOH will go to the Zoomies, possibly a CTT or JTAC.
Just me rambling on as I await this bitch named Irene,,,,, Stay safe all.
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08-26-2011, 22:05
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Just me rambling on as I await this bitch named Irene,,,,, Stay safe all.
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Well at least you're here...glad to hear that. How ya been doin?
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08-26-2011, 22:09
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Well at least you're here...glad to hear that. How ya been doin?
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Better than I deserve!!! Hope to see you soon again,,,, 
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08-27-2011, 10:34
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Originally Posted by Snaquebite
BSM pretty much an MSM in a combat environment. She was NOT awarded the BSV. (Bronze Star for Valor)
As a medal it's awarded for acts of merit or meritorious service.
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Agreed,
I have no problem with this at all. It's not the same for instance as some of the blanket CIBs I remember from Desert Storm, which I for one also recieved for "being there". Many of us considered it a slap in the face to those from Vietnam and earlie, for us to have recieved one, when having not really earned it in comparison to those who had.
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08-27-2011, 11:26
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It's not a new problem
The awarding of a bronze star has been problematic since WW II. My dad was a platoon medic and got his first one for still being there after 3 months. He got his second one after the fact, in 1947, when there was a blanket award to all holders of the combat medics badge. He had only one purple heart award despite multiple woundings because "Why would you want more than one? It just shows you can't keep your ass down"
We used to joke about officers in the Vietnam era that you could tell how long they lasted in the 101st. It seemed that you got an ARCOM at 90 days, a bronze star at 6 months, and a silver star if you completed your tour. Not so for enlisted.
As an EOD specialist I always had my awards recommendations turned down because "risking your life is just part of the job". It was a little hard to swallow when the officer refusing your awards accepts an ARCOM for doing such a great job shuffling papers at FORCECOM when he rotates! However, I had my EOD badge - which was all I cared for - even if I did get berated in the PX by "STRAC" officers for having "those foreign jumps on the wrong side of my uniform"
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08-27-2011, 15:48
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In 1967, I saw cooks awarded BSMs (Merit) when they rotated to CONUS because they served in an infantry unit.
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08-27-2011, 16:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaquebite
BSM pretty much an MSM in a combat environment. She was NOT awarded the BSV. (Bronze Star for Valor)
As a medal it's awarded for acts of merit or meritorious service.
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That's true,but how many people know that?........ All they hear is he/she was awarded the Bronze Star,and many think because of its name it was awarded for combat bravery ........... 
Big Teddy
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I believe that SF is a 'calling' - not too different from the calling missionaries I know received. I knew instantly that it was for me, and that I would do all I could to achieve it. Most others I know in SF experienced something similar. If, as you say, you HAVE searched and read, and you do not KNOW if this is the path for you --- it is not....
Zonie Diver
SF is a calling and it requires commitment and dedication that the uninitiated will never understand......
Jack Moroney
SFA M-2527, Chapter XXXVII
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08-27-2011, 16:10
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The sad thing is that in SF they are INCREDIBLY stingy with medals and we won't have all of the "storied" people to parade around in 20 years. No MOH's, few (if any) DSC's, VERY few Silver Stars.
The SS has become the new SF MOH, IMHO. I've read a BSM-V citation for a guy that did exactly, to the letter, what Audie Murphy did to win his MOH.
While the rest of the military hands out awards like candy, we try to over-preserve the integrity of ours.
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