Another attack on the American Male

[Max_Tab]

"Culture of Honor" can be deadly

http://www.everydayhealth.com/emotio...ec1_lnk3|86578

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Max_Tab

"Culture of Honor" can be deadly

http://www.everydayhealth.com/emotio...ec1_lnk3|86578

I would say it's true, I think spineless cowards do live much longer........

[Penn]

The sample group is suspect as is the regionally, I can only imagine the authors voting preference.

Edit to add: perfect insight and correct again TS!

[BOfH]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

I would say it's true, I think spineless cowards do live much longer........

That may change with the coming(current in some places) social climate, then again, it may be more than just honor, in some cases it'll probably be your life as well.

[PRB]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

I would say it's true, I think spineless cowards do live much longer........

C'mon TS, get with the metro sexual mind think...save your energy for accessorizing

[Pete]

Since getting to know D1's Latino Boyfriend I'd say that "culture of honor" should be split out into a second field "Culture of Macho".

[longrange1947]

I think it is group of "girly men" trying to justify their cowardice.


No offense meant at the fine heroic young ladies we have on the board, just descriptive phrase.

[Barbarian]

"We tend to think of the culture of honor as historical,......But, "elements of this culture of honor still exist today."

Yes, how aweful that southern and western people still stand up for their values. Tragic....just tragic.

[PedOncoDoc]

Originally Posted by Barbarian

Yes, how aweful that southern and western people still stand up for their values. Tragic....just tragic.

I would argue that it's not a regional thing. The sissyboy attitude seems to almost exclusively exist in a non-rural environment - there are way too many of these types in academia, suburbia, and in the young professional population.

The urban ghetto code is a bastardization/caricature of a manly code of honor IMHO.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

I would say it's true, I think spineless cowards do live much longer........

LMAO

[Roguish Lawyer]

I think we need to recommit oursleves to removing the shoes of all women, impregnating them, and keeping them that way.

[steel71]

Who funded that study? The Chinese and Russian government?
I can picture it now, a Chinese general comes across this article, and a big smile forms on his face....VICTORY without a shot.... Sun Tzu wins...

[Sigaba]

FWIW, the article referenced in the OP is available here.

IMO, the moral of this story is never send social psychologists to do the work of historians. I'd say more but I need to apply an astringent. The tropical humidity is playing havoc.

Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc

I would argue that it's not a regional thing. The sissyboy attitude seems to almost exclusively exist in a non-rural environment - there are way too many of these types in academia, suburbia, and in the young professional population.

IMO, Baldesar Castiglione would disagree.

Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc

The urban ghetto code is a bastardization/caricature of a manly code of honor IMHO.

[Defend]

Apparently there is a cost to being honorable.

I want to see how the benefits stack up from the price real men pay. What freedoms does "modern day America" have because these "honor society" men have stepped forward and given their lives on the street or in the field? What's the difference in crime rate between high "honor-culture" states and states towards the other end of the spectrum?

On the other hand, I'm not advocating darwin award style stupidity, or risking other peoples lives over trivial matters. Just don't piss on masculinity and tell me it's for our own good.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_1...-10391704.html
August 16, 2011 2:58 PM

"Culture of honor" in some states takes deadly toll on men

(CBS) "A real man doesn't let anyone push him around." If you agree with that that statement, you're buying in to the "culture of honor" that predominates in some parts of the country.

You could also be putting your life on the line, a new study suggests.

PICTURES - Macho States of America: Where honor turns homicidal

Men who think they should defend their reputation at all costs often resort to violent confrontations or take needless risks, which can lead to injury or death. Think of the man who feels he must not tolerate being cut off on the highway, or who won't back down when someone breaks in line.

"Our study shows that homicide rates are a lot higher in honor states," Dr. Ryan Brown, assistant professor of social/personality psychology at the University of Oklahoma, told CBS News. "And it's not just killing other people. Men in honor states commit suicide at higher rates."

The study, published in the journal Psychological and Personality Science, showed that rates of accidental death from drowning, automobile accidents, and similar causes were significantly higher in honor states - especially among white men.

More than 7,000 deaths a year are attributable to risk-taking associated with the culture of honor, HealthDay reported.

He compared the so-called "honor states" to "non-honor" states, in which the prevailing world view emphasizes not potential threats to honor but the dignity intrinsic to every person.

Which states abide by the culture of honor? In general, Dr. Brown said, those that were originally settled by poor immigrants of Scotch-Irish ancestry. (That's what I'm talking about!)"These people had incubated an honor culture over 800 or 900 years," he said. "They came to this country without much money but brought with them cultural norms that stressed defense of reputation."

But he said it was important for men - and women - to realize that what worked for poor immigrants centuries ago might not be such a good idea in modern-day America.

"When we respond needlessly to people around us, we put ourselves and those around us at greater risk of dying," he said. "Is it really all that honorable to drive recklessly when kids in the back seat?"

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ETA: Thanks for moving this - I'm not sure how my search-fu missed the previous posting.

[BOfH]

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