81% of Mosques in Survey Promote Violence

[Dusty]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinio...violent-voices


Survey finds most mosques promote violent voices
By: Diana West 06/11/11 8:05 PM
Examiner Columnist


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Nobody can afford to miss a new study in the Middle East Quarterly called "Shari'a and Violence in American Mosques."
The authors have amassed a solid bank of peer-reviewed data attesting to the presence and promotion of literature advocating violence in the majority of 100 randomly selected American mosques.

And yes: that's majority of "American" mosques. Not Saudi mosques. Not Pakistani. Not Iranian. Not Turkish. Not even British mosques. American mosques.

There goes that post-9/11 myth -- the one that tells us that American Islam is a happily assimilating creed, wholly different from the aggressive Islam transforming Europe.

The new data collected by Israeli scholar Mordechai Kedar and lawyer David Yerushalmi of the Center for Security Policy (and one of my 18 co-authors on the book "Shariah: The Threat to America") indicate that most American mosques are sanctioning, if not also promoting, the study of material of similar peril.

For me, the six tables of data boil down to two simple and stunning facts. Eighty-one percent of the mosques in the study feature Islamic literature that advocates violence. The authors divide the "violence-positive material" into two categories: 30 percent "moderate" violence, and 51 percent "severe" violence.

Further, 85 percent of the imams recommend this literature - both lay-written and authoritative Islamic texts (not including the Koran or Sunnah, writings said to be words and deeds of Muhammad).

It is a slim 19 percent of the mosques that don't feature such violent materials, and an even slimmer 15 percent of the imams who don't recommend it.

I guess it is in these small fractions where we might find the real "tiny band of extremists" -- perhaps among the followers of the four imams in the 100 mosques who, the authors point out in a footnote, "instructed against the study of violence-positive material."

The authors follow a line of inquiry into whether signs of adherence to Shariah (Islamic law) within the mosque -- for example, sex-segregated prayer, regimented prayer lines, bearded imams -- indicate the presence of inflammatory material.

Take sex-segregated prayer. They found that 95 percent of the mosques where men and women pray separately contain violent literature. At the same time, however, so do 74 percent of the mosques where men and women pray together.

Similarly, 94 percent of the imams presiding over sex-segregated congregations recommend the study of violence-positive material; but so do 80 percent of the imams leading co-ed services. So, yes, Shariah-adherence is a sure-fire indicator, but it's not the only indicator.

No wonder the authors consider the conclusions to be drawn from their survey as "dismal at best." But what will those conclusions be? What should they be? I conclude, just for starters, that there is an urgent need to halt Islamic immigration to ensure that the demographic for more such mosques doesn't grow.

But having dug up the hard data on the textual embrace of Islam-inspired violence within organized Islam in America, the authors almost seem content to throw it all away:

"This survey suggests that, first and foremost, Muslim community leaders must take a more active role in educating their own faith community about the dangers associated with providing a safe haven for violent literature and its promotion...."

The data may be new, but this is the same old mistake we've made since 9/11: outsourcing our response to the ideological threat posed by Islam to "Muslim community leaders" - and usually linked to the Muslim Brotherhood.

This isn't an internal Islamic problem. These alarming data on the promotion of violence within Islam in American mosques are for the wider, still non-Islamic society to address, and before it's too late.


Examiner Columnist Diana West is syndicated nationally by United Media and is the author of "The Death of the Grown-Up: How America's Arrested Development Is Bringing Down Western Civilization."


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[mugwump]

I'd like to see the violent material that's being promoted.

I once read a study that said 1 out of 3 women had been raped. I don't advocate violence being promoted in mosques, nor do I promote rape. But research, especially by organizations with an agenda, has to be backed up.

[uplink5]

Originally Posted by Dusty

http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinio...violent-voices

All

Herman Cain's statement regarding Muslims in his cabinet, is making more sense every day....


"Would you be comfortable appointing a Muslim either in your Cabinet or as a federal judge?" the blogger asked.

"No, I will not," Cain replied. "And here’s why. There is this creeping attempt, there’s this attempt to gradually ease Sharia law and the Muslim faith into our government. It does not belong in our government."

It is a slim 19 percent of the mosques that don't feature such violent materials, and an even slimmer 15 percent of the imams who don't recommend it.

Is Cain wrong? Ask Europe.....jd

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by mugwump

I'd like to see the violent material that's being promoted.

It's called the Koran. I've already posted many excerpts.

[Team Sergeant]

Diana West Examiner Columnist, I like the way this woman thinks.....

[PRB]

Violence, as it pertains to spreading the religion, is central to Islam as Muhammed demonstrated over and over again.
For an Imam/Mullah not to spread this message he would have to ignore major elements of the religion and its parctice.
The 19% or so that are not preaching aggression are actually perverting the religion not the so called 'radicals'.

[ArmyStrong]

I have been operating under the idea that most Muslims who support violence, specifically the people who actually blow themselves up, are extremely poor and uneducated. I always thought that the leadership of terrorist organizations didn't actually believe the BS they were preaching and just took advantage of the huge amounts of uneducated people in the middle east. IE:why didn't UBL "martyr" himself? Somehow hiding out and smoking weed and watching porn just doesn't scream dedicated to the faith to me.

After doing a little research I came across this: "The Spring 2004 Wilson Quarterly discusses the article “Education, Poverty, and Terrorism: Is There a Causal Connection?” by Alan B. Krueger and Jitka Malecková, in Journal of Economic Perspectives (Fall 2003):

[B]etter-off and better-educated people are more likely to support and participate in terrorist or militant acts than their less fortunate peers. In a December 2001 opinion survey of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, for example, 86 percent of adults who had attended high school supported armed attacks against Israeli targets, compared with 72 percent of their illiterate peers. And outright opposition to such attacks was much higher in the ranks of the illiterate: 26 percent voiced opposition, compared with only 12 percent of better-educated Palestinians.

Many studies of those who actually commit terrorist attacks follow the same general pattern. Of 129 Lebanese Hezbollah militants who became Shahids (martyrs) between 1982 and 1994, only 28 percent came from impoverished families (while 33 percent of all Lebanese were living in poverty). Thirty-three percent of the killers had been to high school, compared with only 23 percent of the general population. A study of 285 Palestinian terrorists who carried out suicide bomb attacks for other groups between 1987 and 2002 found that they were nearly twice as likely to have finished high school and attended college as other Palestinians. Two of the bombers were the sons of millionaires."

According to these studies, the idea that poor, uneducated people are being used is off base. Most American mosques advocating violence supports this even further in that the education level here is much higher (Detroit excluded )I am having trouble finding any more recent reports about the relationship between terrorism and education/poverty. Can any of you gentlemen point me in the right direction? I'm here to learn.

[Almualla]

-Domestic Violence within the Church: The Ugly Truth

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/domest...-11602500.html

-Quran-Burning Pastor Terry Jones .

My unit mission was harmed from his action when we were down in `Stan.

-Westboro Baptist Church.

-Christian fundamentalist bigotry reigns at US Air Force Academy.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/ap...acad-a30.shtml

See every religion has dirt, blood, and disgusting aspects of.


Religion is one subject that I dislike to discuss. Specially when you talk to a "dead end -minded" people. Islam has been and still being jacked, from close minded, uneducated, and weak people. Christianity had it share , from the secret basements of churches in -dark ages/ heliocentrism- Europe, all the way to the street of my town that Westboro "church" uses to spew its "God hate everybody" slogan.

It's astonishing, yet very tiring and disappointing to read such continued posts that you feel the writers are so far "out there" on the right-wing fringe, so legendary for the aggressive ignorance of all things subtle and intellectually astute.

I know, it's also a little tricky, difficult. some PS posters on here continued posts about Islam clearly reveal they are not the insufferable lintsnorter everyone with a functioning soul suspects them to be, and is instead on a hugely challenging, but richly rewarding spiritual path, one that requires intense wrangling with the ego's incredible powers of conviction and illusion-making so all of us may learn to see through all manner of charade, false narrative and mental trickery, including but not at all limited to Christian dualism, demonization of the Other, Bill O' Reilly, FOX, even the gloomy myth of sin, all ultimately coming to rest on the fluid idea that we are all, each and every one of us, the divine being we seek, God in microcosm, all dancing in ecstatic, self-recurrent consciousness. Do I have that right?

-www.crosswalk.com
-www.wsws.org
-www.globalresearch.ca
-www.sfgate.com
-www.spiegel.de
-www.plasticbag.org

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Almualla

-Domestic Violence within the Church: The Ugly Truth

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/domest...-11602500.html

-Quran-Burning Pastor Terry Jones .

My unit mission was harmed from his action when we were down in `Stan.

-Westboro Baptist Church.

-Christian fundamentalist bigotry reigns at US Air Force Academy.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/ap...acad-a30.shtml

See every religion has dirt, blood, and disgusting aspects of.


Religion is one subject that I dislike to discuss. Specially when you talk to a "dead end -minded" people. Islam has been and still being jacked, from close minded, uneducated, and weak people. Christianity had it share , from the secret basements of churches in -dark ages/ heliocentrism- Europe, all the way to the street of my town that Westboro "church" uses to spew its "God hate everybody" slogan.

It's astonishing, yet very tiring and disappointing to read such continued posts that you feel the writers are so far "out there" on the right-wing fringe, so legendary for the aggressive ignorance of all things subtle and intellectually astute.

I know, it's also a little tricky, difficult. some PS posters on here continued posts about Islam clearly reveal they are not the insufferable lintsnorter everyone with a functioning soul suspects them to be, and is instead on a hugely challenging, but richly rewarding spiritual path, one that requires intense wrangling with the ego's incredible powers of conviction and illusion-making so all of us may learn to see through all manner of charade, false narrative and mental trickery, including but not at all limited to Christian dualism, demonization of the Other, Bill O' Reilly, FOX, even the gloomy myth of sin, all ultimately coming to rest on the fluid idea that we are all, each and every one of us, the divine being we seek, God in microcosm, all dancing in ecstatic, self-recurrent consciousness. Do I have that right?

-www.crosswalk.com
-www.wsws.org
-www.globalresearch.ca
-www.sfgate.com
-www.spiegel.de
-www.plasticbag.org

Please clarify your point.

[uplink5]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Please clarify your point.

Yes, please elaborate...

For instance, when have PS posters ever been described as “the insufferable lintsnorter everyone with a functioning soul suspects them to be".

That is, until you did anyways. I do believe my soul functions fine.......

[PRB]

Almualla,
I wouldn't care a wit about Islam if we were not at war with individuals and organizations that use it's principles to kill non Muslims and attack non Muslim oriented ways of life in the name of their god.
Prove to me that it has been 'jacked'.
Please do not quote abrogated verse or surah as I've a bit of experience with that.
So, please answer this, the actions of Muhammed, in say the writings of Sahih Al-Bukhari, are not valid today?
You believe then that Muhammeds actions are only applicable to history and to the time and place they were enacted in?
Or, as every Muslim scholar has ever written that Muhammed is the 'perfect man' and to be emulated.

[PRB]

I'll give you an example....Muhammed took slaves and used them for sex if they were non Muslim.."What you take with your right hand..."
This is acceptable in Islam as Muhammed did this.
If you choose to bury your head in the sand and believe non Islamic doctrine I say good for you, maybe there is some hope.
However, there is ample doctrinal support for almost any depridation in 'mainstream' Islam.
I note you talk about the Westboro folks like they are mainstream Christians even tho they are nuts challenged everywhere they go to peacefully protest ...unlike the Muslim killings/kidnapping/forced conversion of Christian copts and Church burnings thruout the midleast. Those things are not even investigated by the police in Egypt.



Here are two Muslims echoing that attitude...a woman of stature in Kuwait and an Imam

http://www.meforum.org/2930/muslim-w...itution-of-sex

[kawaishi]

I'm not a Christian but I can read and I haven't ever read anything in the bible to align with what you are trying to stick to Christianity.

You and everyone else knows that Christianity doesn't condone domestic violence; however, individuals still smack around their significant others and claim to be Christian.

Westboro Baptist is a group of idiots who don't reflect Jesus' teaching. God plainly states that he finds homosexuality abhorrent in the Old Testament. Then the New Testament strikes a new deal between God and men that changes everything. I'm sure God didn't change his mind about people being gay but he's no longer fire-bombing predominately gay cities. The Christian faith is based on forgiveness of the repentant man by the God who stops using capital punishment to enforce rules. Many Christians, including Bill O'Reilly, publicly and frequently proclaim this group to be wrong and encourage everyone who speaks out against them.

Whether Terry Jones is right or wrong he is an individual who is not following a biblical directive to burn Korans. Not a systemic effort here.

Anti-Semitism is not taught in the bible and is the perverted idea of individuals or subgroups. Jesus was a Jew. Jesus had to die in order for the deal to be done. He knew what was going to happen and, while hanging on the cross in pain, asked God to forgive them because they didn't know what they were doing. Anyone who is an anti-semite holds those beliefs in spite of the bible.

In our own nation Christians publicly and frequently denounce the actions of individuals that you try to associate them with. How many Muslims in the ME can you find to publicly denounce violent jihad?

[head]

Originally Posted by uplink5

Yes, please elaborate...

For instance, when have PS posters ever been described as “the insufferable lintsnorter everyone with a functioning soul suspects them to be".

That is, until you did anyways. I do believe my soul functions fine.......

Well, if he wishes to make any point... he should try doing it without plagiarizing. Google, my friend. How many "lintsnorter" references did he think are on the internet? (this thread is number 1 by the way!) I didn't know QP's were equated to Glenn Beck wannabes...

I know, it's also a little tricky, difficult. Beck's statements clearly reveal he's not the insufferable lintsnorter everyone with a functioning soul suspects him to be, and is instead on a hugely challenging, but richly rewarding spiritual path, one that requires intense wrangling with the ego's incredible powers of conviction and illusion-making so the student may learn to see through all manner of charade, false narrative and mental trickery, including but not at all limited to Christian dualism, demonization of the Other, Bill O' Reilly, even the gloomy myth of sin, all ultimately coming to rest on the fluid idea that we are all, each and every one of us, the divine being we seek, God in microcosm, all dancing in ecstatic, self-recurrent consciousness. Do I have that right, Glenn?

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz1P7G3Vuze

So my response to him, regardless of his "point"... is STFU and let the grownups talk.

[uplink5]

Originally Posted by head

Well, if he wishes to make any point... he should try doing it without plagiarizing. Google, my friend. How many "lintsnorter" references did he think are on the internet? (this thread is number 1 by the way!) I didn't know QP's were equated to Glenn Beck wannabes...

So my response to him, regardless of his "point"... is STFU and let the grownups talk.

Thanks Head....
Very well then, our Pseudo-intellectual wannabe Mr Almualla is going to try his plagiarizing wares on this thread, at our expense? Bring it on, you mental midget. Amounts to nothing other than another wannabe pozer to me. .....