Leftist legislation from the bench

rdret1 · 06-03-2011, 06:46

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/02...est=latestnews

The entire graduating class needs to stand up and say a prayer ending in " in Jesus' name we pray, Amen.", and then see what this idiotic "judge" thinks he can do about it; put the entire graduating class in jail!? I think not!

uplink5 · 06-03-2011, 07:02

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Originally Posted by rdret1

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/02...est=latestnews

The entire graduating class needs to stand up and say a prayer ending in " in Jesus' name we pray, Amen.", and then see what this idiotic "judge" thinks he can do about it; put the entire graduating class in jail!? I think not!

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Should a student violate the order, school district officials could find themselves in legal trouble. Judge Biery ordered that his ruling be “enforced by incarceration or other sanctions for contempt of Court if not obeyed by District official (sic) and their agents.”

Apparently this judge already thought of this and will instead target school district officials. I agree though, these kids should do it anyway since it is their graduation and their free speech being infringed upon....

mugwump · 06-03-2011, 07:06

I don't understand how this is legislating from the bench -- separation of church and state. People want to pray in school...go to a private one. I went to a high school where an awful lot of my graduating class didn't pray in Jesus's name.

rdret1 · 06-03-2011, 07:16

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I don't understand how this is legislating from the bench -- separation of church and state. People want to pray in school...go to a private one. I went to a high school where an awful lot of my graduating class didn't pray in Jesus's name.

Separation of church and state has been taken way farther than the founding fathers intended it to be. The 1st Amendment reads: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It is pretty simple english, especially the last six words "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Liberal activists have hijacked the 1st Amendment to meet their own needs. I went to school where we said the Pledge of Allegiance and a prayer EVERY morning before the first class started. If you don't believe in God or do not wish to pray; don't. Don't tell me or my children that we can't though, that will just piss me off and make mne do it any way!

Richard · 06-03-2011, 07:42

The school district should already have a policy in place regarding such activites; it's a simple matter and should have been done long ago.

Although we were a non-denominational private school and had students of many faiths, we had an Invocation and Benediction for Baccalaureate and Graduation - asking people to "Please stand for the Invocation" or "Please stand for the Benediction" (not to "pray") - the Invocation and Benediction were humanistically neutral passages from the Bible (chosen by the event's coordinator and me), philosophically relevant to the celebration, and read by a member of the Student Council - there were no references to any "deity", no "amen", and we never had any issues with it.

I think the oft-cited "Founding Fathers" would be pleased with our interpretation of their "intent" in regards to the practice of religious freedom for all.

And so it goes...

Richard

1stindoor · 06-03-2011, 08:08

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passages from the Bible (chosen by the event's coordinator and me),

Did your fingers burn when you thumbed through the pages?

Sorry couldn't resist.

Richard · 06-03-2011, 08:19

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Did your fingers burn when you thumbed through the pages?

Sorry couldn't resist.

Nope - ours was not an "Autographed Copy." I had an English class my sophomore year in high school titled "The Bible As Litrature" - an excellent class which taught me the importance and power of language, and to appreciate the book for what it is, a well-edited anthology of historical fiction.

Richard

**Pete** · 06-03-2011, 08:22

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............... and to appreciate the book for what it is, a well-edited anthology of historical fiction.

Richard

Trust everybody - but cut the deck.

rdret1 · 06-03-2011, 08:46

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and to appreciate the book for what it is, a well-edited anthology of historical fiction.

Richard

Which part can be proven to be fiction? There is plenty of evidence of the historical validity of many parts of the Bible.

http://agards-bible-timeline.com/q9_...oof_bible.html

http://carm.org/non-biblical-account...s-andor-people

http://www.facingthechallenge.org/arch2.php

If you point to the story of creation and rely on "God created the Heavens and Earth in seven days" ; what is the definition of a "day" to God? 24 hours? Who knows?

So many biblical stories can be proven to have occurred that it is strange they are considered by some to be fairy tales. What I find ludicrous, is that one can look at the world around them and believe that all of nature, in its myriad forms, happened by accident; that out of all the planets in our solar system, ours was accidentally the only one able to support life as we know it.

**Roguish Lawyer** · 06-03-2011, 10:20

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Oh boy . . . LMAO

Here we go!

uplink5 · 06-03-2011, 10:29

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Just what I was thinking...is there time for me to grab lunch before the show starts??

I'd bet he was trolling for a response.....any takers?
You might have time for lunch.

craigepo · 06-03-2011, 11:20

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and to appreciate the book for what it is, a well-edited anthology of historical fiction.

Richard

I know that Richard is sitting at his monitor, snickering.

One question for Richard: Do you also believe that the works of the Jewish historian Josephus are fictitious as well?

1stindoor · 06-03-2011, 11:29

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Nope - ours was not an "Autographed Copy." I had an English class my sophomore year in high school titled "The Bible As Litrature" - an excellent class which taught me the importance and power of language, and to appreciate the book for what it is, a well-edited anthology of historical fiction.

Richard

Hmmm...I can clearly see the bait...and know you're poised to try and set the hook...yet, I'll bite.

You must have had the wrong "book."

My Bible is the unerring word of God.

I'll just ask one question...the same one God asked of Job, found in Job Chapter 38.

1stindoor · 06-03-2011, 11:31

Just to clarify...I meant Job 38:4-5

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Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?

Tell me, if you understand.

Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!

Richard · 06-03-2011, 11:39

And gawd still speaks through Brady.*

A definition of the terms "edited," "anthology," and "historical fiction" (e.g., "The Killer Angels" by Shaara and "The Source" by Michener), as well as more reading into the topics of World History and current scientific findings and research trends on the topic of planetary life (e.g., Scouring Space for Life: More Earths Out There than We Thought? http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...sletter-weekly ) might be interesting in framing any debate over our attempts to understand what we have discovered since the times when someone's claim of a stick being turned into a serpent seemed plausible to many and what we have yet to understand in what was penned by the "Founding Fathers" as being of the "laws of nature and nature's God."

Richard

* Inherit the Wind