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Old 05-09-2011, 14:24   #1
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Paki PM Warns of Full Force Response

Full force in this case would mean nukes...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...error-targets/

Pakistan's prime minister warned the United States Monday that his country could respond to any future U.S. raids on its soil with "full force," in the latest escalation of rhetoric in the wake of Usama bin Laden's death.

Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, like other officials in Islamabad, said the killing of bin Laden in northern Pakistan was a positive step. But, reflecting concerns that the unilateral strike violated his country's sovereignty, Gilani sent a clear message to the United States. He warned any "overt or covert" attack would be met with a "matching response" in the future.

"Pakistan reserves the right to retaliate with full force. No one should underestimate the resolve and capability of our nation and armed forces to defend our sacred homeland," Gilani said.

Pakistani officials are taking a firm stance on the raid, as the United States analyzes the trove of evidence collected from the bin Laden compound. That evidence -- described as the largest intelligence find ever from a senior terror leader -- could lead the United States to other terrorists on Pakistani soil, once again forcing President Obama to decide whether to go around the Pakistanis to capture or kill a high-value terror target.

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney has said the president reserves the right to enter Pakistani territory to act against terror suspects if Pakistan will not, and reiterated that message when asked about Gilani's speech. He said Monday that while the U.S. takes Pakistanis' concerns seriously, the U.S. does "not apologize" for the raid.

"It's simply beyond doubt in his mind that he had the right and the imperative to do this," Carney said Monday.

With analysts combing through the bin Laden files for clues on the whereabouts of Al Qaeda's Ayman al-Zawahiri or Taliban chief Mullah Omar, some are calling on Obama to strike again while Al Qaeda and its allies are staggering.

"We have no right to keep our troops on the defense dying, when we know where some of the highest-ranking people in the Taliban are," Bing West, former assistant defense secretary, told Fox News on Monday.

Former CIA Director Michael Hayden said that if the U.S. gets bin Laden's deputy -- presumed to be al-Zawahiri -- in its sights, "the same calculus" that was used on bin Laden should apply.

But the thought already has Pakistani leaders fuming.

Husain Haqqani, Pakistan's ambassador to the U.S., told ABC's "This Week" that the Pakistani government wants to continue "joint operations," but is concerned about the nature of the raid last weekend.

"Nobody said that we didn't want Usama bin Laden taken out. What we are offended by is the violation of our sovereignty," he said. "Now, we've heard the American explanation. But at the same time, try and put yourself in the position of a Pakistani leader who has to go to votes from the same people who will turn around and say, 'You know what? You can't protect this country from American helicopters coming in.'"

U.S. officials have made clear that they did not loop in the Pakistanis on the raid out of concern that somebody would tip off bin Laden.

Asked about the Pakistanis' concerns, Carney said repeatedly Monday that the U.S. continues to view its relationship with the country as "important."

Obama, in an interview with CBS' "60 Minutes," confirmed that he did not inform Pakistani officials of the raid in advance, though he praised Pakistan's cooperation considering "we've been able to kill more terrorists on Pakistani soil than just about any place else."

However, Obama also questioned whether anybody inside the Pakistani government might have known about bin Laden's location all along.

"We were surprised that he could maintain a compound like that for that long without there being a tip-off," Obama said. "We think that there had to be some sort of support network for bin Laden inside of Pakistan. But we don't know who or what that support network was. We don't know whether there might have been some people inside of government, people outside of government, and that's something that we have to investigate and, more importantly, the Pakistani government has to investigate."
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Old 05-09-2011, 15:03   #2
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I don't see what he's got to complain about......

...... after all, it was Allah's will that the US take out OBL at that place, at that time and with a couple of shots to the head.
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Old 05-09-2011, 15:06   #3
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Seems like posturing to me. I'm sure they don't want to lose the 3.5 billion we give them in aid.

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Old 05-09-2011, 15:09   #4
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I don't know what they're so uptight about. We didn't complain much when James Bond killed all those SPECTRE dudes in Vegas and New Orleans . . .
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Old 05-09-2011, 15:09   #5
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we've been able to kill more terrorists on Pakistani soil than just about any place else
Well, if this is a posture meant to satisfy the Pakistani radicals, they just failed miserably.
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Old 05-09-2011, 16:35   #6
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Old 05-09-2011, 16:50   #7
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Old 05-09-2011, 17:25   #8
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If the Paki's don't want us coming inside their borders, they shouldn't allow bad guys to set up house keeping....
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Old 05-09-2011, 18:18   #9
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"Pakistan reserves the right to retaliate with full force. No one should underestimate the resolve and capability of our nation and armed forces to defend our sacred homeland," Gilani said.
Total BS. Paki mil has the "utmost respect" for American ability to hit the intended target. American resolve on the other hand, well, that's different (how long was Ray detained?).

Let's see if our Pred strikes continue at current levels but I wager we'll see a decrease, if not a "tactical halt" all together.
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Old 05-09-2011, 18:21   #10
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Raid Planned 10 Years Ago

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...-pakistan-deal

The deal was struck between Pervez Musharraf and George Bush in 2001 and renewed during the 'transition to democracy' – a six-month period from February 2008 when Musharraf was still president but a civilian government had been elected. Photograph: Joshua Roberts/Reuters
The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week's raid that killed the al-Qaida leader, the Guardian has learned.

The deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired Pakistani and US officials.

Under its terms, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaida No3. Afterwards, both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.

"There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him," said a former senior US official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. "The Pakistanis would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn't stop us."

The deal puts a new complexion on the political storm triggered by Bin Laden's death in Abbottabad, 35 miles north of Islamabad, where a team of US navy Seals assaulted his safe house in the early hours of 2 May.

Pakistani officials have insisted they knew nothing of the raid, with military and civilian leaders issuing a strong rebuke to the US. If the US conducts another such assault, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani warned parliament on Monday, "Pakistan reserves the right to retaliate with full force."

Days earlier, Musharraf, now running an opposition party from exile in London, emerged as one of the most vocal critics of the raid, terming it a "violation of the sovereignty of Pakistan".

But under the terms of the secret deal, while Pakistanis may not have been informed of the assault, they had agreed to it in principle.

A senior Pakistani official said it had been struck under Musharraf and renewed by the army during the "transition to democracy" – a six-month period from February 2008 when Musharraf was still president but a civilian government had been elected.

Referring to the assault on Bin Laden's Abbottabad compound, the official added: "As far as our American friends are concerned, they have just implemented the agreement."

The former US official said the Pakistani protests of the past week were the "public face" of the deal. "We knew they would deny this stuff."

The agreement is consistent with Pakistan's unspoken policy towards CIA drone strikes in the tribal belt, which was revealed by the WikiLeaks US embassy cables last November. In August 2008, Gilani reportedly told a US official: "I don't care if they do it, as long as they get the right people. We'll protest in the National Assembly and then ignore it."

As drone strikes have escalated in the tribal belt over the past year, senior civilian and military officials issued pro forma denunciations even as it became clear the Pakistani military was co-operating with the covert programme.

The former US official said that impetus for the co-operation, much like the Bin Laden deal, was driven by the US. "It didn't come from Musharraf's desire. On the Predators, we made it very clear to them that if they weren't going to prosecute these targets, we were, and there was nothing they could do to stop us taking unilateral action.

"We told them, over and again: 'We'll stop the Predators if you take these targets out yourselves.'"

Despite several attempts to contact his London office, the Guardian has been unable to obtain comment from Musharraf.

Since Bin Laden's death, Pakistan has come under intense US scrutiny, including accusations that elements within Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence helped hide the al-Qaida leader.

On Sunday, President Barack Obama said Bin Laden must have had "some sort of support network" inside Pakistan.

"We don't know whether there might have been some people inside of government, outside of government, and that's something we have to investigate," Obama said.

Gilani has stood firmly by the ISI, describing it as a "national asset", and said claims that Pakistan was "in cahoots" with al-Qaida were "disingenuous".

"Allegations of complicity or incompetence are absurd," he said. "We didn't invite Osama bin Laden to Pakistan."

Gilani said the army had launched an investigation into how Bin Laden managed to hide inside Pakistan. Senior generals will give a briefing on the furore to parliament next Friday.

Gilani paid lip-service to the alliance with America and welcomed a forthcoming visit from the US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, but pointedly paid tribute to help from China, whom he described as "a source of inspiration for the people of Pakistan".
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Old 05-09-2011, 18:24   #11
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Have any of you "screw Pakistan" fans looked at how most supplies for our troops get to Afghanistan? I wouldn't pull the pin on that till I had a Plan B.

Might be time to offer the Indians some more HSLD weapons if the Pakis give us static though.

BTW, I must have missed all of those protesters when the helicopters came to their towns post typhoon, offering water and chow. They seemed to love America pretty good then.

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Old 05-09-2011, 19:00   #12
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Pakistan's govt is much weaker than the mil/ISI consortium and walks a very fine line between appeasing and governing in a very unstable cultural climate. I would not want to be in their shoes.

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Old 05-09-2011, 20:13   #13
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Have any of you "screw Pakistan" fans looked at how most supplies for our troops get to Afghanistan? I wouldn't pull the pin on that till I had a Plan B. TR

The way of burning and looting them in route (via PAK)...then goods for the COP/FB show up with NSNs from the local contractor charging ten times the amount it should be and supposedly no clue of how he got a hold of something with a NSN and then the cojones to sell it back us! And we still buy it!!!

That's the way i remember things getting to us.
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Old 05-09-2011, 20:14   #14
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Pakistan's govt is much weaker than the mil/ISI consortium and walks a very fine line between appeasing and governing in a very unstable cultural climate. I would not want to be in their shoes.
True, but stability wise, the world's largest democracy is sitting next door, same peoples, separated only by religion if they need a cultural role model. I understand their need to chirp, we went into their country and killed some of their nationals (who deserved their fate), and would do it again if need be, let them save face in the interim.

As TR pointed out, until we have some other logistics highway to supply our troops in Afghanistan, Pakistan gets more slack than most, though as mentioned India would love the $3.5 billion in aid.
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Old 05-09-2011, 20:19   #15
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Yup kinda the same Paki response we had during the Russian invasion of A-Stan, pakistan steal 90% of everything that flows through pakistan and give 10% of arms and money to the Afgans. Yeah, the truth.

I was laughing my ass off during the Iran-Contra media affair..... that was in the millions, the Afgan-Russian-paki affair was in the billions.......with pakistan stealing billions in arms and aid meant for A-Stan.
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