MFF Dogs??

[JJ_BPK]

Does this look like someone jumping from 30K??

Would the handler and dog jump without any thermal protection??

U.S. Military Member Mike Forsythe, and his dog, Cara, break the world record for "highest man/dog parachute deployment" by jumping from 30,100 feet in this undated image released by the Canadian company "K9 Storm Inc."

The New York Times and other United States media have reported that a military canine accompanied Navy SEAL Team Six commandos into a compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan in a raid that killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

I don't have access but here is the link..

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/05/sc...20laden&st=cse

[Tress]

Originally posted by JJ_BPK:

Does this look like someone jumping from 30K??

Would the handler and dog jump without any thermal protection??

It could be, the tail gate on the A/C is usually not open too long and as soon as your toes leave the tailgate the adrenalin starts to flow and warms you up fast.

The only instances where I have been really cold on a straight freefall jump were while in a helicopter with the doors open the entire time and while civilian skydiving in a Twin Otter or similar A/C where, again, the door was open during the entire flight.

I cannot tell if the dog is on oxygen or not. I would assume that since the human is on oxygen, the dog would need to be also. Looks more like a vanity photo, good for publishing out in the open.

I wonder how much tail wagging affects descent?

[Papa Zero Three]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

Does this look like someone jumping from 30K??

Would the handler and dog jump without any thermal protection??



I don't have access but here is the link..

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/05/sc...20laden&st=cse

I can 100% vouch for the jump, I was there. However, Mike F.(jumper) has never been in the military. Mike is/was a FEMA dog handler and that is his dog Cara in the picture. I worked with Mike in developing the harness and a POI for doing this some time back. The photo is from the WFFC circa August 2004. The jump was done from 30,100 feet, if you look at the photo close you can see the altitude on his altimeter when the shot was taken. This was done as a proof of concept after the harness was developed. Equipment used was Mike's civilian tandem rig and O2 equipment from HALOjumper.com and Mike Mullins king Air. After the 30 min prebreath on the ground they had a 15 min ride to altitude and jumped. Temperature on the ground that day was in the high 100s and it was in the teens/20s if I recall correctly. Mike had a makeshift vet O2 mask for Cara while on the plane but no bailout bottle at the time for the freefall. I do believe he had these little overshoes(paws) to cover cara's pads up on that jump and doggles for her eyes. As soon as they landed Cara's vitals were taken and everything was normal. Like all dogs, when she was put on the ground she shook herself a bit and then started wagging her tail like nothing had happened.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Tress

It could be, the tail gate on the A/C is usually not open too long and as soon as your toes leave the tailgate the adrenalin starts to flow and warms you up fast.

The only instances where I have been really cold on a straight freefall jump were while in a helicopter with the doors open the entire time and while civilian skydiving in a Twin Otter or similar A/C where, again, the door was open during the entire flight.

I cannot tell if the dog is on oxygen or not. I would assume that since the human is on oxygen, the dog would need to be also. Looks more like a vanity photo, good for publishing out in the open.

We did a 26,250 jump on Bragg, warm on the ground, not too bad while falling, but my friggin hands were frozen by the time I landed!

Only 30 min prebreath??? Wonder why?

Also he's not moving that fast if he wearing a drogue chute......

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Papa Zero Three

Mike is/was a FEMA dog handler and that is his dog Cara in the picture.

FEMA!? Is FEMA expecting to have to do a HALO jump into a disaster area?

Pat

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by PSM

FEMA!? Is FEMA expecting to have to do a HALO jump into a disaster area?

Pat

We could tell you, but we'd have to lock your head in a safe...

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Papa Zero Three

I can 100% vouch for the jump, I was there.

Thank you very much for that little nugget of history,, It's amazing what knowledge is available here..

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

We could tell you, but we'd have to lock your head in a safe...

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit safe cracking!

Pat

[Papa Zero Three]

Originally Posted by PSM

FEMA!? Is FEMA expecting to have to do a HALO jump into a disaster area?

Pat

No, actually there is a back story there and it was I who brought it to Mike, who just so happened to be a FEMA dog handler and in the skydiving industry at the time. But that story is one that is best reserved for a more appropriate audience.

[Golf1echo]

Here is chilly jump with K9

[Tuukka]

Originally Posted by Golf1echo

Here is chilly jump with K9

Just to correct the caption, Austrian special forces ( Jagdkommando ), not Norwegian SF.

[greenberetTFS]

An Army chief of staff labels Special Forces soldiers 'fugitives from responsibility,' too odd for the regulars
Posted By Thomas E. Ricks Friday, March 11, 2011 - 10:58 AM Share

I had no idea that an Army chief of staff would feel so anti-Special Forces, and would say so. When I was up at Carlisle I read the oral history that Gen. Harold K. Johnson, who preceded William Westmoreland as Army chief, gave in 1973, and this jumped out at me:

The Special Forces...were what I would describe as consisting primarily of fugitives from responsibility. These were people that somehow or other tended to be nonconformists, couldn't get along in a straight military system, and found a haven where their actions were not scrutinized too carefully, and where they came under only sporadic or intermittent observation from the regular chain of command.

Of course, Johnson was speaking a few years after the biggest scandal in Special Forces history, when Col. Robert B. Rheault, the commander of SF in Vietnam, was charged by the Army with murder, only to get the charges dropped because the CIA said it would not allow its people to testify against him. (Rheault supposedly was one of the inspirations for the Marlon Brando character in 'Apocalypse Now.')

But Johnson also was speaking a few years after My Lai, and you don't see him condemn all infantrymen because of that.

Big Teddy

[kgoerz]

Is this from the Highly Classified K-9 CQB Program. Or just Dogs getting the Sh$#t scared out of them.

[MtnGoat]

Originally Posted by kgoerz

Is this from the Highly Classified K-9 CQB Program. Or just Dogs getting the Sh$#t scared out of them.

I say both!!