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Old 05-05-2011, 09:56   #1
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No video of Bin Laden raid..

Hmmmm.... I understand live feed being cut, but now all the cameras were turned off? Was the photo in the "war room" staged? Clinton in an interview said she was just covering her mouth due to a "spring allergy cough..."

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Osama bin Laden dead: Blackout during raid on bin Laden compound

The head of the CIA admitted yesterday that there was no live video footage of the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound as further doubts emerged about the US version of events.

Leon Panetta, director of the CIA, revealed there was a 25 minute blackout during which the live feed from cameras mounted on the helmets of the US special forces was cut off.

A photograph released by the White House appeared to show the President and his aides in the situation room watching the action as it unfolded. In fact they had little knowledge of what was happening in the compound.

In an interview with PBS, Mr Panetta said: "Once those teams went into the compound I can tell you that there was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes where we really didn't know just exactly what was going on. And there were some very tense moments as we were waiting for information.

"We had some observation of the approach there, but we did not have direct flow of information as to the actual conduct of the operation itself as they were going through the compound."

Mr Panetta also told the network that the US Navy Seals made the final decision to kill bin Laden rather than the president.

He said: "The authority here was to kill bin Laden. And obviously, under the rules of engagement, if he had in fact thrown up his hands, surrendered and didn't appear to be representing any kind of threat, then they were to capture him. But they had full authority to kill him.

"To be frank, I don't think he had a lot of time to say anything. It was a firefight going up that compound. And by the time they got to the third floor and found bin Laden, I think it - this was all split-second action on the part of the Seals."

The President only knew the mission was successful after the Navy Seals commander heard the word “Geronimo” on the radio, a code word from commandos reporting that they had killed bin Laden.

The absence of footage of the raid has led to conflicting reports about what happened in the compound. According to Pakistani authorities one of bin Laden’s daughter’s, who was present during the raid, claimed that her father was captured alive before he was killed.

There was also growing doubt about the US claims that Pakistan’s intelligence agencies involved in the raid.

Lieutenant General Asad Durrani, former head of the ISI, Pakistan's intelligence service, said it was "inconceivable" that his government was unaware of the US raid on Osama bin Laden's compound.

He claimed his country was forced to deny any knowledge of the raid to avoid a domestic backlash. The ISI's official line has been that bin Laden's compound had "slipped off our radar" after it raided the building in 2003 while hunting for another senior al-Qaeda operative.The agency claims it was unaware that bin Laden was hiding there.

Lieutenant General Durrani, however, said that the denial was a "political" maneuver by the intelligence services to avoid claims that they were working too closely with the US.

He said: "It is more likely that they did know [about the raid]. It is not conceivable that it was done without the involvement of Pakistani security forces at some stage. They were involved and they were told they were in position.

"The army chief was in his office, the cordons had been thrown around that particular place. The Pakistani helicopters were also in the air so that indicates that it was involved.

"[There are] political implications back home. If you say that you are involved there is a large, vocal faction of Pakistani society that will get very upset because we are carrying out repeatedly these operations with the Americans."
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Old 05-05-2011, 10:29   #2
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The head of the CIA admitted yesterday that there was no live video footage of the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound as further doubts emerged about the US version of events.
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Old 05-05-2011, 10:55   #3
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Leon Panetta, director of the CIA, revealed there was a 25 minute blackout during which the live feed from cameras mounted on the helmets of the US special forces was cut off.

In an interview with PBS, Mr Panetta said: "Once those teams went into the compound I can tell you that there was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes where we really didn't know just exactly what was going on. And there were some very tense moments as we were waiting for information.
Penalty flag has been thrown.
Puhhhh-leeeze, you mean to tell me that there wasn't one single drone any where nearby to provide a live video feed?
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Old 05-05-2011, 19:27   #4
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The head of the CIA admitted yesterday that there was no live video footage of the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound as further doubts emerged about the US version of events.

"To be frank, I don't think he had a lot of time to say anything. It was a firefight going up that compound. And by the time they got to the third floor and found bin Laden, I think it - this was all split-second action on the part of the Seals."
Well, there is this footage floating around of ubl's last stand.

Though it appears that they had to fight their way up 5 levels instead of 3.
(Seems to be a Pagoda, too.)

It appears he didn't say much.
The beard is a bit short, and he appears to be more than 6'4".

It also seems that he was unarmed and he did put his hands up at one point.
But he did resist.

Not sure if this footage is real.
The sound seems to be doctored.

The footprint should be verified.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSoX6qB9N0
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"Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations."

I was thinking the same thing!!
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Old 05-05-2011, 19:42   #6
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Penalty flag has been thrown.
Puhhhh-leeeze, you mean to tell me that there wasn't one single drone any where nearby to provide a live video feed?
1stIN...

Come one you don't believe them..

POTUS does one thing right and he doesn't (nor the WH) know what they need to do or say. Typical of this WH. Wait tomorrow will be another flip of their coin.
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Old 05-05-2011, 19:44   #7
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I'm hoping somebody is relearning an olde rule of thumb - having pics/videos/copies of docs/recorded transmissions of everything is not always a good thing.

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Old 05-05-2011, 19:44   #8
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Hmmmm.... I understand live feed being cut, but now all the cameras were turned off? Was the photo in the "war room" staged?

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I was going to say... Were they that transfixed by a blank screen? I mean, since there were no UAS feeds to watch.

Maybe it was Charlie Sheen's concert? Would that explain the hand over the mouth?
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Old 05-06-2011, 06:15   #9
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I'm hoping somebody is relearning an olde rule of thumb - having pics/videos/copies of docs/recorded transmissions of everything is not always a good thing.

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Agree 100%. I always told my guys that Predator was not your friend...it's a "spy" for higher...a way to Armchair Quarterback your op. If they were doing it for much much smaller ops 5 years ago...I know they were doing it on this one.
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Is it possible that the live feed was not recorded?
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Is it possible that the live feed was not recorded?
Sure. It's also possible that bin Laden wasn't killed because he's dead a while, so they don't want PHOTINT of a ruse.
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I'm hoping somebody is relearning an olde rule of thumb - having pics/videos/copies of docs/recorded transmissions of everything is not always a good thing.

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Are you referring to President Nixon or a more modern example?
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Are you referring to President Nixon or a more modern example?
I think he's prolly referring to the Alien Autopsy movie...
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Supposedly there was a total "Communications and Power" outage during the raid. Would a Rivet Joint Operation also disrupt Video equipment??
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I was going to say... Were they that transfixed by a blank screen? I mean, since there were no UAS feeds to watch.

Maybe it was Charlie Sheen's concert? Would that explain the hand over the mouth?
Maybe the kitchen just announced that they were out of Espresso and popcorn.
Maybe a picture of Bush at Ground Zero suddenly popped up on the screen.
Could be the bright white blank screen just held their attention. Like moths.
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