Pakistan Tells U.S. It Must Sharply Cut C.I.A. Activities

[Richard]

...about 335 American personnel — C.I.A. officers and contractors and Special Operations forces — were being asked to leave the country...

And so it goes...

Richard

Pakistan Tells U.S. It Must Sharply Cut C.I.A. Activities
NYT, 11 aPR 2011

Pakistan has demanded that the United States steeply reduce the number of Central Intelligence Agency operatives and Special Operations forces working in Pakistan, and that it put on hold C.I.A. drone strikes aimed at militants in northwest Pakistan, a sign of the near collapse of cooperation between the two testy allies.

The demand that the United States scale back its presence is the immediate fallout of the arrest in Pakistan of Raymond A. Davis, a C.I.A. security officer who killed two men in broad daylight during a mugging in January, Pakistani and American officials said in interviews.

In all, about 335 American personnel — C.I.A. officers and contractors and Special Operations forces — were being asked to leave the country, said a Pakistani official closely involved in the decision. The cuts threatened to badly hamper American efforts — either through drone strikes or Pakistani military training — to combat militants who use Pakistan as a base to fight American forces in Afghanistan and plot terrorist attacks abroad.

The reductions were personally demanded by the chief of the Pakistan army, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, said Pakistani and American officials, who requested anonymity while discussing the sensitive issue.

The scale of the Pakistani demands emerged as Lt. Gen. Ahmad Shuja Pasha, the head of Pakistan’s chief spy agency, the Inter Services Intelligence, or ISI, met in Washington on Monday with the director of the C.I.A., Leon Panetta.

Afterward, a C.I.A. spokesman, George Little, said that the two spy chiefs had held “productive” meetings and that the relationship between the two services “remains on solid footing.”

“The United States and Pakistan share a wide range of mutual interests,” Mr. Little said, “and today’s exchange emphasized the need to continue to work closely together, including on our common fight against terrorist networks that threaten both countries.”

The meetings were part of an effort to repair the already tentative and distrustful relations between the spy agencies that plunged to a new low as a result of the Davis episode, which further exposed where Pakistani and American interests diverge as the endgame in Afghanistan draws closer.

The Pakistani army firmly believes that Washington’s real aim in Pakistan is to neutralize the nation’s prized nuclear arsenal, which is now on a path to becoming the world’s fifth largest, said the Pakistani official closely involved in the decision on reducing the American presence.

On the American side, frustration has built over the Pakistani army’s seeming inability to defeat a host of militant groups, including the Taliban and Al Qaeda, which have thrived in Pakistan’s tribal areas despite more than $1 billion in American assistance a year to the Pakistani military.

In a rare public rebuke, a White House report to Congress last week described the Pakistani efforts against the militants as disappointing.

At the time of his arrest, Mr. Davis was involved in a covert C.I.A. effort to penetrate one militant group, Lashkar-e-Taiba, which has long ties to Pakistan’s military and intelligence establishment, has made deepening inroads in Afghanistan, and is perceived as a global threat.

The C.I.A. had demanded that Mr. Davis be freed immediately, on the grounds that he had diplomatic immunity. Instead, he was held for 47 days of detention and, the officials said, questioned for 14 days by ISI agents during his imprisonment in Lahore, infuriating American officials. He was finally freed after his victims’ families agreed to take some $2.3 million in compensation.

Another apparent price, however, is the list of reductions in American personnel demanded by General Kayani, according to the Pakistan and American officials. These include a 25 to 40 percent cutback in the number of United States Special Operations soldiers, most of them involved in training the paramilitary Frontier Corps in northwest Pakistan.

American officials said last year that the Pakistanis had allowed a maximum of 120 Special Forces soldiers to operate in Pakistan. The Americans had reached that quota, the Pakistani official said.

Pakistan is also demanding the removal of all American contractors used by the C.I.A. in Pakistan and C.I.A. operatives who were involved in “unilateral” assignments — like that of Mr. Davis — that the Pakistani intelligence agency did not know about, the Pakistani official said.

An American official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said without elaborating that the Pakistanis had asked “for more visibility into some things” — presumably the nature of C.I.A. covert operations in the country — “and that request is being talked about.”

In addition to reducing American personnel on the ground, General Kayani has also told the Obama administration that its expanded drone campaign had gotten out of control, a Pakistani official said. Given the reluctance or inability of the Pakistani military to root out Qaeda and Taliban militants from the tribal areas, American officials have turned more and more to drone strikes, drastically increasing the number of strikes last year.

The drone campaign, which is immensely unpopular among the Pakistani public, had morphed into the sole preserve of the United States, the Pakistani official said, since the Americans were no longer sharing intelligence on how they were choosing their targets. The Americans had also extended the strikes to new parts of the tribal region, like the Khyber area near the city of Peshawar.

“Kayani would like the drones stopped,” said another Pakistani official who met with the military chief recently. “He believes they are used too frequently as a weapon of choice, rather than as a strategic weapon.” Short of that, General Kayani was demanding that the campaign return to its original, more limited scope and remain focused narrowly on North Waziristan, the prime militant stronghold.

A drone attack last month, one day after Mr. Davis was released, hit Taliban fighters in North Waziristan, but also killed tribal leaders allied to the Pakistani military, an apparent mishap that infuriated General Kayani, who issued an unusually strong statement of condemnation afterward.

American officials defended the drone attack, saying that it had achieved its goal of killing militants. But there have been no drone attacks since then.

The request by General Kayani to cut back the number of Special Operations forces by up to 40 percent would result in the closure of the training program begun last year at Warsak, close to Peshawar, , an American official said.

The United States spent $23 million on a building at Warsak, and $30 million on equipment and training there.

Informed by American officials that the Special Operations training would end even with the partial reduction of 40 percent, General Kayani remained unmoved, the American official said.

The program to upgrade the paramilitary Frontier Corps and get them to focus on counterinsurgency warfare began in earnest last year; American officials believed it was essential to improve the capacity of the nearly 150,000 Pakistani soldiers deployed to fight the Taliban in the tribal region.

But the Pakistanis were always leery of the training, in part because the United States is regarded with suspicion by many of the Frontier Corps soldiers, and because Pakistani officials said they were never sure if training, rather than spying, was the real purpose of the Special Operations soldiers.

The C.I.A. quietly withdrew all contractors after Mr. Davis’s arrest, the Pakistani official said. Armed American men in civilian clothes believed to be C.I.A. contractors were often seen around the United States consulate in Peshawar, where Mr. Davis worked at the beginning of his stint in Pakistan, but are no longer in evidence.

Another category of American intelligence agents, declared operatives whose purpose was not clear, were also being asked to leave, the Pakistani official said.

In an illustration of the severity of the breach between the C.I.A. and the ISI, two intelligence agencies that were supposed to have been cooperating since the Sept. 11 attack in the United States but that have rarely trusted each other, the Pakistani official said: “We’re telling the Americans: ‘You have to trust the ISI or you don’t. There is nothing in between.’ “

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/12/wo...ewanted=1&_r=1

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Richard

In an illustration of the severity of the breach between the C.I.A. and the ISI, two intelligence agencies that were supposed to have been cooperating since the Sept. 11 attack in the United States but that have rarely trusted each other, the Pakistani official said: “We’re telling the Americans: ‘You have to trust the ISI or you don’t. There is nothing in between.’ “[/I]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/12/wo...ewanted=1&_r=1

There has never been anything in between.

It's always been about money. When will our foreign policy experts wake up and realize we are directly funding terrorism through the ISI.

[MtnGoat]

Like I once said.. You make us pull Our People.. it will cost you XXX USD.. Say $75K per person!!


But the bigger problem US DOS and US DOD is having in China in many parts of our interest. China has always been about Subversion.. They have a typically model they follow, which IMHO works. Look at Africa

Pakistan has always endured a multi-dimensional and deep-rooted relationship with China on many different Fronts. Chinese interest in Pakistani banks is on the increase, economical support and aid-development with sending labor (& resturant ) workers into a given Country, along with Pakistan and China have also been involved in technology exchanged.

I will even go a step further and say Pakistan has always supported China on many different issues of importance, especially those related to the question of China's sovereignty of different territories. Maybe this is why China supports Pakistan with their "Broader issues". China has been providing a steady source of military equipment to the Pakistani Army and training them too. China has also helped Pakistan to set-up mass weapons production factories and given technology assistance and modernized facilities for military usages.


Hard uphill roll for US DOS and DOD!!

[greenberetTFS]

What we should do is totally cut off the $1 Billion we give them,and see how much they will demand we cut our CIA personal.... They don't do shit for us now so what do we really have to lose..........

Big Teddy

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by greenberetTFS

What we should do is totally cut off the $1 Billion we give them,and see how much they will demand we cut our CIA personal.... They don't do shit for us now so what do we really have to lose..........

Big Teddy

Afghanistan is a land-locked country.

How do you think our supplies get there?

We cross the Pak border at will and kill people with impunity we suspect are our enemies.

How popular do you think that is in Pakistan?

An American intelligence agent shoots and kills two Pakistani intel officers who are tailing him.

Would we tolerate that here from their agent?

TR

[Pete]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Would we tolerate that here from their agent?

TR

Maybe - if they threatened to cut off all the foreign aid they're giving us.

[mark46th]

Definitely a Love-Hate relationship. They love the money but hate the baggage that comes with it. I can see why the ISI plays both ends- If and when the U.S. leaves Afghanistan, there will be less cash, if any, coming in. So, the ISI helps AQ and the Taliban, providing a constant source of trouble for the U.S., ensuring the cash flow...