Sharia; The Threat to America

[shooter_250]

This is the entire study in PDF format. I just began reading, thought you guys might want to read the study as well..

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.o...2009292010.pdf

The book is $15...the download is free.

I hope i have this in the correct area, guidance, as always, is appreciated.

God Bless

Lee

[JJ_BPK]

I am ready to listen to a solution to our self generated problem..

Shariah law is creeping into our society, our government, and our laws. The problem is we have set ourselves up for the fall.

How many of our current laws were written in Ecclesiastical favor??

Think about it..

• Ecclesiastical Holidays
• Ecclesiastical Land Rights, Banking, and Tax Laws
• Ecclesiastical Law for Ordination
• Ecclesiastical Schools
• Ecclesiastical Medical Procedures
• Ecclesiastical Funerals Laws
• Ecclesiastical Marriage Laws
• Ecclesiastical Dietary Laws

NOTE: I used the word Ecclesiastical, substitute any religion's formal name for personal clarity

The list is longer than most would guess.. How do you selectively allow some and not others,, by religion ??

Is there an allowable "LIMIT" on the type or extent of ecclesiastical jurisdiction?

Be advised, I do not advocate a secular view, nor do I advocate religious bigotry..

This World in a combination of both the ecclesiastical and the secular.

But, In the case of shariah law there is no secular anything..

Maybe I am a bigot???

From the conclusion:

While detailed recommendations for adopting a more prudential and effective strategy for surviving shariah’s onslaught are beyond the scope of this study, several policy and programmatic changes are clearly in order. These include:

• U.S. policy-makers, financiers, businessmen, judges, journalists, community leaders and the public at large must be equipped with an accurate understanding of the nature of shariah and the necessity of keeping America shariah-free. At a minimum, this will entail resisting – rather than acquiescing to – the concerted efforts now being made to allow that alien and barbaric legal code to become established in this country as an alternate, parallel system to the Constitution and the laws enacted pursuant to it. Arguably, this is already in effect for those who have taken an oath to “support and defend” the Constitution, because the requirement is subsumed in that oath.

• U.S. government agencies and organizations should cease their outreach to Muslim communities through Muslim Brotherhood fronts whose mission is to destroy our country from within as such practices are both reckless and counterproductive. Indeed, these activities serve to legitimate, protect and
expand the influence of our enemies. They conduce to no successful legal outcome that cannot be better advanced via aggressive prosecution of terrorists, terror-funders and other lawbreakers. They also discourage patriotic Muslims from providing actual assistance to the U.S. government lest they be marked for ostracism or worse by the Brothers and other shariah-adherent members of their communities.

• In keeping with Article VI of the Constitution, extend bans currently in effect that bar members of hate groups such as the Ku Klux Klan from holding positions of trust in federal, state, or local governments or the armed forces of the United States to those who espouse or support shariah. Instead, every effort should be made to identify and empower Muslims who are willing publicly to denounce shariah.

• Practices that promote shariah – notably, shariah compliant finance and the establishment or promotion in public spaces or with public funds of facilities and activities that give preferential treatment to shariah’s adherents – are incompatible with the Constitution and the freedoms it enshrines and must be
proscribed.

• Sedition is prohibited by law in the United States. To the extent that imams and mosques are being used to advocate shariah in America, they are promoting seditious activity and should be warned that they will not be immune from prosecution.

• Textbooks used in both secular educational systems and Islamic schools must not promote shariah, its tenets, or the notion that America must submit to its dictates.

• Compounds and communities that seek to segregate themselves on the basis of shariah law, apply it alongside or in lieu of the law of the land or otherwise establish themselves as “no-go” zones for law enforcement and other authorities must be thwarted in such efforts. In this connection, assertion of claims to territory around mosques should be proscribed.

• Immigration of those who adhere to shariah must be precluded, as was previously done with adherents to the seditious ideology of communism.

Although I agree with the conclusion, I feel it opens up our country to a problem of biblical proportions...

Because if we out-law one religion, why stop???

[Hand]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

Because if we out-law one religion, why stop???

Sir,
I see the underlying truth embedded in your question, and in debates regarding someones right to burn an American flag, or a Bible, or a Quran, I have learned to understand that the freedom I have to pray, teach, carry a gun provides them the ability to do their thing, no matter how morally reprehensible or socially irresponsible or just downright disrespectful that thing may be.

So in a sense, I have to say, yes, no matter how it disgusts me to consider it, I must attempt to accept a muslims 'right' to practice whatever religion he chooses, and respect that he wishes to be governed by a different set of laws.

But in this case, by giving him that freedom, here in our country, we will indubitably accept with that a loss of our own freedoms, a warping of the intent of our constitution and an erosion of the good and honorable values that somehow have managed to remain. My rhetorical response to this is "if they want Sharia law, go home and get it" . I think we have been extremely open hearted and open minded to the muslim culture here. They can eat 'wegetarian' at most restaurants, they can worship, they can run a thriving business, own property. So I have no qualms about saying, NO! Enough is enough, live here work here, pay taxes here, but we will NOT be governed by YOUR rules. We have our own and if you don't like them, go home.

In practice, will someone being tried for the murder of a woman get to switch over to Sharia law and use the justification that he caught her sleeping with another man? Can non-muslims choose which set of laws to live by? Can one mix and match? It sounds like a dangerous proposition.

These are my thoughts, respected warrior, they are not eloquently stated, and in re-reading may seem a little immature. Would you mind addressing your own question? I am curious how you have worked out the quandary that your question presents.

Respectfully

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Hand

Sir,

I am curious how you have worked out the quandary that your question presents.

Respectfully

I think in a simple form,, I did..

Maybe,, I am a bigot???

[Hand]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

I think in a simple form,, I did..

Sir,
I understand you to mean that we have no choice but to allow it. Does it follow logically then that we (as a country) don't have a choice in the matter, we HAVE to subject ourselves to what we already know is insanity?

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Hand

I understand you to mean that we have no choice but to allow it. Does it follow logically then that we (as a country) don't have a choice in the matter, we HAVE to subject ourselves to what we already know is insanity?

I think we can continue to allow the reasonable practicing of those tenets of the faith which do not conflict with US Code - as many living here now do - and if that isn't enough, there's always the opportunity for them to practice the freedom to move somewhere else.

Richard

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Richard

I think we can continue to allow the reasonable practicing of those tenets of the faith which do not conflict with US Code - as many living here now do - and if that isn't enough, there's always the opportuity for them to practice the freedom to move somewhere else.

Richard

For now.....

Svengali wave of the hands - "There is no threat" - Svengali wave of the hands - "There is no threat" - Svengali wave of the hands - "There is no threat"

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Hand

Sir,
Does it follow logically then that we (as a country) don't have a choice in the matter, we HAVE to subject ourselves to what we already know is insanity?

Just the opposite.

I think we need to admit that choices are not only our responsibility, but an inviolable right.

We need to make decisions for our own good.

That being subjugated by inaction is wrong.

That allowing "others" the liberty to take advantage of our divisiveness will lead to our demise.

Ergo, I will live with the vigilance of one that knows I have faults, that can be mastered. I'll be dammed if I let indecision be one of my failings.

[Wiseman]

I wonder how long before we have guys like Siddiq...or Shanon as he used to be called.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc98I...eature=related.


Notice...how glances to the side when the reporter says that Sharia Law is medieval.

[Roguish Lawyer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN6CH...&feature=share

[BOfH]

Originally Posted by Richard

I think we can continue to allow the reasonable practicing of those tenets of the faith which do not conflict with US Code - as many living here now do - and if that isn't enough, there's always the opportunity for them to practice the freedom to move somewhere else.

Richard

Your freedom of religion ends where my restriction of constitutional rights by your religion begins.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Wiseman

I wonder how long before we have guys like Siddiq...or Shanon as he used to be called.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc98I...eature=related.


Notice...how glances to the side when the reporter says that Sharia Law is medieval.

Based on Warrior Mentors many topics and other media sources.....We in US are heading in the same direction and it likely already here.

[Oku]

I don't post much (read hardly at all) since it's easier to learn stuff by reading than typing, but this subject kinda burns me a bit so here goes nuthin'....

I've kind of reconciled the "freedom of religion quandry" in my own head...

Islam is contrary to our constitution....full stop (and yes, I've done "a bit of reading" so I'd have info needed for a previous occupation)

It does not accept or respect freedom of religion, freedom of speech or the separation of Church and state (in fact islam states that "church and state" are to be one in the same).

This stuff in in the koran not just the "supplemental readings" known as the hadith.

But you may ask as I did "what about the other religions we have in our country". My answer, at least according to the materials I've seen and the folks I've talked to, is that none of them require a theocracy, and all of them have as part of their central message words to the effect of "Be excellent to each other" ("and party on dude!" is present in many of 'em as well). Islam on the other hand has: "be one of us....or we kill you".

I'm sure someone out there has done more and better research than I, and I'm sure I've missed some "salient points", but this works for me.

Wanna follow islam? Great, do it somewhere else, not in the USA.

[mojaveman]

Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN6CH...&feature=share

Interesting clip. I think what those Muslims are trying to do in London won't go over well in other areas of Europe, in particular East Germany. Don't think it would go over well here either, at least not where I live.

[Wiseman]

It's sickening to be honest. Makes me want to purchase a shotgun for protection.