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Old 03-28-2011, 15:50   #1
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Botched Gun Trafficking Investigation

LOLOLOL talk about stupid..... ATF even more stupid. If I was a lawyer I'd be suing the hell out of the US Government if my family member was shot and killed as a result of Operation "Fast and Furious".

What sort of morons do we have in charge of the ATF? I know let's give the cartels nukes and see where that leads?

Want to takes bets on when the first Border Patrol Agent is killed with one of the .50 rifles the ATF "GAVE" to the cartels?

Sometimes the news does actually amaze me.


Obama Administration Under Mounting Pressure for Botched Gun Trafficking Investigation
By William La Jeunesse

Published March 28, 2011
| FoxNews.co
Congress and the Department of Justice appear to be headed for a showdown this week over documents detailing Operation Fast and Furious, the botched gunrunning sting set up by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that funneled more than 1,700 smuggled weapons from Arizona to Mexico.

The Justice Department has until Wednesday to deliver to congressional investigators a stack of records and emails naming the individuals responsible for the gun trafficking operation that may have killed dozens, if not hundreds of Mexicans, and is becoming a growing embarrassment for the Obama administration.

Under Project Gunrunner and the Phoenix off-shoot, dubbed Fast and Furious, the ATF encouraged gun store owners to sell to straw buyers -- consumers who they suspected of working on behalf of Mexican drug cartels. Project Gunrunner purposely allowed the straw buyers to illegally buy and export guns only to see where they surfaced in Mexico. Using this investigative technique, the ATF hoped to take down the entire gun trafficking organization. Instead, records show it allowed more than 1,700 guns, including hundreds of AK-47s and high-powered, armor-piercing .50-caliber rifles to be trafficked to Mexico

Buying guns for non-personal use is illegal. Yet gun store owners were assured by ATF agents the buyers were under investigation and the guns were being intercepted before crossing into Mexico.

Instead, whistleblowers say the guns were allowed "to walk."

President Obama, speaking for the first time about the growing scandal, conceded last week Fast and Furious may have been "a serious mistake," but he claimed, "I did not authorize it; Eric Holder, the attorney general, did not authorize it. He's been very clear that our policy is to catch gunrunners and put them into jail."

But an investigation by Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, could show otherwise.

The ATF operates under Justice Department, and two assistant U.S. attorneys in Phoenix authorized virtually every wiretap, affidavit and investigation conducted in Operation Fast and Furious.

Some, like Issa, wonder how Holder could not have known about an investigation that size.

"One of the questions we always ask is who is lying," Issa told Fox News. "We lose our credibility if we don't come clean and make the changes necessary to save lives on both sides of the border."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...est=latestnews
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Old 03-28-2011, 16:15   #2
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Below is a link to a blog that is authored by the individual that broke this story months ago. He is fully responsible for elevating the story to where it is now.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/
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Old 03-28-2011, 16:36   #3
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Having worked with many Federal LE Agencies. I am not surprised at all. There are some good people there. But protecting and advancing your career. Is usually the topic of daily conversation. Not catching bad guys. AG Holder said he didn't authorize it either. What a bunch of cowards.
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Old 03-28-2011, 16:38   #4
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And mind you that all the while 'Fast and Furious' was going on, Obama, Holder, Clinton and Napolitano were casting the blame on US Gun Laws, the Firearms Industry, US Citizens and waging war on the 2nd Amendment.

Just a few memorable quotes...

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“More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that lay in our shared border”
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“I feel very strongly we have a co-responsibility”
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Old 03-28-2011, 16:42   #5
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Old 03-28-2011, 16:49   #6
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And mind you that all the while 'Fast and Furious' was going on, Obama, Holder, Clinton and Napolitano were casting the blame on US Gun Laws, the Firearms Industry, US Citizens and waging war on the 2nd Amendment.

Just a few memorable quotes...

Part of that "Never let a crisis go to waste.." ideaology at work.

Damn all of this social engineering! All of this hope an change needs smoked in a "great vengeance and furious anger" sort of way!
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Old 03-28-2011, 17:23   #7
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Part of that "Never let a crisis go to waste.." ideaology at work.

Up until the past few years I generally thought there was some good coming out of Washington, but anymore there seems to be something nefarious hidden behind everything they do.
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Old 03-28-2011, 18:06   #8
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So... In order to catch "gunrunners" the ATF, in their infinite wisdom, decides to become the LARGEST gunrunner?

Wow...

Perhaps they can catch dope runners the same way. They can ship tons of coke to the US, and see where it "turns up"...

Jeebus.
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Old 03-28-2011, 22:05   #10
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Gun Exports

http://www.globalissues.org/article/...s-big-business

The US is the world's largest arms exporters, nothing new here.
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Old 03-28-2011, 22:51   #11
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Huh?
You mean, American gun stores are supplying the world’s militaries?
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Monkey see, monkey do.
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Monkey see, monkey do.
Oh.
Well, that certainly clears things up.


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Oh.
Well, that certainly clears things up.
Who says the world's militaries that the US supply are any better the the Mexican drug cartels that American Citizens supply guns to.
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Old 03-29-2011, 05:15   #15
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http://www.globalissues.org/article/...s-big-business

The US is the world's largest arms exporters, nothing new here.
So what does this have to do with a Botched ATF attempt to cut the weapons flow south? This is about small arms not tanks, planes, etc......
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