02-16-2011, 11:24
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Lara Logan sexually assaulted...
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...xpected-100276
I like this gal and it's really sad to hear this happen to her...........
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02-16-2011, 11:38
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F'ing savages  that's just sickening.
I hope Ms. Logan has a speedy recovery.
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02-16-2011, 11:38
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I am sorry it happened as well, but if you went to the wrong part of town during a riot just to talk to people and see what was going on, and got your ass beat, whose fault would it be?
The media seems to think that they are immune from their environment.
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02-16-2011, 11:57
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Is it horrible? Yes. Are they animals? Yes. But I agree with The Reaper... I mean really, she's a blond white American girl in the middle of a week long riot in Egypt... Maybe she wasn't expecting that particular thing to happen, but she had to have expected that something might happen... The US state dept was advising our citizens to exit the country, yeah? So what makes anybody think that Egypt would be a safe place to be, especially for a woman that looks like that? I think this simply illustrates that, apparently, there is still a price to be paid for stupidity.
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02-16-2011, 12:03
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The MSM
- stir it up,
- make it stink,
- then walk in it,
- get awards for writing about it,
and still think it can't stick to them??
Would not wish it on anyone,, but she went looking...
Same goes for the dummies that got beat up..
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02-16-2011, 12:11
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Is it horrible? Yes. Are they animals? Yes. But I agree with The Reaper... I mean really, she's a blond white American girl in the middle of a week long riot in Egypt... Maybe she wasn't expecting that particular thing to happen, but she had to have expected that something might happen... The US state dept was advising our citizens to exit the country, yeah? So what makes anybody think that Egypt would be a safe place to be, especially for a woman that looks like that? I think this simply illustrates that, apparently, there is still a price to be paid for stupidity.
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Ms. Logan, 39, is a citizen of the Republic of South Africa. Her bio is here.
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02-16-2011, 12:16
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I stand corrected.
Still not a good place for a blond white girl to be.
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Ms. Logan, 39, is a citizen of the Republic of South Africa. Her bio is here.
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02-16-2011, 12:51
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I stand corrected.
Still not a good place for a blond white girl to be.
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DJ--
You're missing my point so I'll be a bit more direct.
A seasoned professional journalist has paid the price for a calculated risk. For that risk, she's nothing more than "a blond white girl" guilty of her own "stupidity."
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02-16-2011, 13:09
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She's got cajones(?).....I saw her on 60 Minutes where she was embedded and went out on a mission with the 101st into a very hot zone and they got pinned down and had to fight their way out...... She just hung in there and showed no sign of being scared just kept on reporting and stating "these guys are going to get us out of here,I know it,I just know they will"............  Not too bad for a reporter with that kind of guts..........  She had an interview with a reporter from Esquire who said does CBS insure this kind of sh*t..... Her answer was,"it goes with the job"............
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02-16-2011, 13:13
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A more detailed review of the situation:
Lara Logan, the CBS News correspondent, was attacked and sexually assaulted by a mob in Cairo on Feb. 11, the day that the Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak was forced from power, the network said Tuesday.
After the mob surrounded her, Ms. Logan “suffered a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating before being saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers,” the network said in a statement. Ms. Logan is recovering at a hospital in the United States.
The evening of the attack, Ms. Logan, 39, the network’s chief foreign affairs correspondent, was covering the celebrations in Tahrir Square in central Cairo with a camera crew and an unknown number of security staff members. The CBS team was enveloped by “a dangerous element” within the crowd, CBS said, that numbered more than 200 people. That mob separated Ms. Logan from her team and then attacked her.
Once she was rescued, CBS said she “reconnected” with the team and returned to the United States on Feb. 12.
The CBS statement mentioned nothing more about the attackers. It also said that there would be “no further comment from CBS News, and correspondent Logan and her family respectfully request privacy at this time.”
Before she returned to Cairo on Feb. 10, she told the Web site of Esquire magazine that she thought her team included one security staff member. Equipped with expensive cameras and bright lights, television news crews regularly travel with security experts who assess threats in dangerous locations.
The trip was Ms. Logan’s second to Egypt to cover the protests that have roiled the country in January and February. On her first trip, she was detained and interrogated overnight by security authorities.
During the protests, the Committee to Protect Journalists registered 53 assaults on journalists. It did not delineate the genders of the people affected. There were also dozens of cases of harassment during the weeks of protests, and some female journalists complained about being singled out by crowds. There were no other known sexual assaults.
The committee, whose board includes Ms. Logan, said Tuesday evening in a statement: “We have seen Lara’s compassion at work while helping journalists who have faced brutal aggression while doing their jobs. She is a brilliant, courageous, and committed reporter. Our thoughts are with Lara as she recovers.”
There is little information available about instances of sexual assault affecting journalists. In an article for the Columbia Journalism Review in 2007, the writer, Judith Matloff, wrote that foreign correspondents rarely tell anyone, “even when the abuse is rape.”
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.co...20logan&st=cse
Over 350 Egyptians were killed in the protests against Mubarak; Ms Logan, a veteran and extremely experienced ME reporter, and her news and security team took a calculated risk - obviously, they misjudged the heightened level of the risks they were assuming.
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02-16-2011, 13:43
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If I, a bald white dude, go walking down the street in 5th Ward TX or Compton CA, I shouldn't be surprised if a group of fine young men decide they want to try and play whack-a-mole with my head, because in going to these places, I've made myself a target.
That's what Ms. Logan did. Just the simple fact that she was there made her a target. And something terrible happened to her. That sucks. I think the guys that perpetrated that disgusting act should be strung up and subjected to Leng-Tche. But it doesn't change the fact that maybe, just maybe, it was a poor decision for her to be there.
Skydiving is a calculated risk. Scuba diving is a calculated risk. Serving on an ODA with your teammates is a calculated risk. Being a white girl and walking into the middle of a massive riot in Egypt, when citizens of other countries are fleeing the region, a region with a strong radical element where women tend to not be respected as they are in other cultures, I call that poor decision making. Frenzied crowds of people tend to do bad things, and journalists, seasoned or not, are ill equipped to deal with situations like that. I'd like to think a seasoned journalist would recognize that fact. But apparently, some don't.
How do you defend yourself against a crowd of 200, frantic, determined people? You can't. The best way to avoid an attack is to not be there.
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DJ--
You're missing my point so I'll be a bit more direct.
A seasoned professional journalist has paid the price for a calculated risk. For that risk, she's nothing more than "a blond white girl" guilty of her own "stupidity."
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02-16-2011, 15:14
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Originally Posted by DJ Urbanovsky
If I, a bald white dude, go walking down the street in 5th Ward TX or Compton CA, I shouldn't be surprised if a group of fine young men decide they want to try and play whack-a-mole with my head, because in going to these places, I've made myself a target.
That's what Ms. Logan did. Just the simple fact that she was there made her a target. And something terrible happened to her. That sucks. I think the guys that perpetrated that disgusting act should be strung up and subjected to Leng-Tche. But it doesn't change the fact that maybe, just maybe, it was a poor decision for her to be there.
Skydiving is a calculated risk. Scuba diving is a calculated risk. Serving on an ODA with your teammates is a calculated risk. Being a white girl and walking into the middle of a massive riot in Egypt, when citizens of other countries are fleeing the region, a region with a strong radical element where women tend to not be respected as they are in other cultures, I call that poor decision making. Frenzied crowds of people tend to do bad things, and journalists, seasoned or not, are ill equipped to deal with situations like that. I'd like to think a seasoned journalist would recognize that fact. But apparently, some don't.
How do you defend yourself against a crowd of 200, frantic, determined people? You can't. The best way to avoid an attack is to not be there.
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It is noteworthy that you insist on calling an adult who is your age a 'girl.' So when you speak of regions where "women tend not to be respected as they are in other cultures" are you including your own among those "other cultures"? Or does that respect only apply to 'girls' who behave as you see fit?
The fact that you equate Compton to Egypt is, bluntly, instructive. Doubtlessly, she, and you, would be perfectly safe in South Boston.
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02-16-2011, 15:18
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IMO, so is jumping out of a perfectly good airplane, but some people do it for a living.
It's her job. She knew the risks, and it certainly doesn't sound like she's whining and begging for oodles of sympathy.
So exactly how is her "decision making " a "poor" one, but to leap out of an airplane into a combat zone is a " calculated risk? "
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Because as a civilian, you can always choose to vote with your feet and refuse a job, but in the military, that will land you in jail, except at certain windows of opportunity when a contract ends.
I would rather make 100 jumps than to wade into that crowd unarmed as a foreigner, a female, and an infidel. It is just a better risk.
Frankly, not to take anything away from Ms. Logan, but whover decided that she needed to be in that crowd on foot (after other media personnel were assaulted starting several days before) is IMHO, culpable. Maybe it was her boss, maybe it was her. Poor decisions (and sometimes good ones) have consequences.
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02-16-2011, 15:23
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Frankly, not to take anything away from Ms. Logan, but whover decided that she needed to be in that crowd on foot (after other media personnel were assaulted starting several days before) is IMHO, culpable. Maybe it was her boss, maybe it was her. Poor decisions (and sometimes good ones) have consequences.
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Very well said, TR Sir.
WTF were her or her employer thinking? Stupidity, and manipulation on the part of those in charge of her little "mission." At least to some extent, IMVHO.
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02-16-2011, 15:35
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IMO, the issue with Mrs. Logan is not that she wasn't doing her job, but that she allowed her desire to get "inside" override logic and put herself in harm's way. With today's technology, she could have been in a safe place with a telescopic lens that would of allowed her to see a gnat a half mile away. Many other reporters were doing their stories from various points of safety and I don't think any less of them than I would of her.
Again, IMO, reporters, not just her, tend to put their safety aside at times to jockey the "best story and perspective" from certain events. I think they all, at times, put their safety aside in order to not only provide us with the news, but to get a better story than the "other guys", even at the risk of their own safety.
With that said, I think their desire for the story intentionally puts them in harm's way and they don't think about it until they find themselves on the wrong end of a bad situation.
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