Maher: Obama Not a Christian

Dusty · 02-13-2011, 02:47

This clown should know...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...elieve_it.html

dr. mabuse · 02-13-2011, 10:24

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bandycpa · 02-13-2011, 12:17

But it's interesting how Maher approached this, and how it contrasts with others that have questioned Obama's religious beliefs. Before, it was surmised that Obama was a Muslim. The obvious answer from his camp was "no, he's Christian." The answer was assumed to be on either side the two extremes.

Although Maher said he didn't think Obama was a Christian, he never argued that Obama was a Muslim either. Why would this create a different perception? Could it be that Obama not being a Christian (but being something else other than a Muslim) is not a big a deal as it would be if Obama was found to be Muslim? Could the Obama administration use this particular tactic to get people to lay off of his faith preference?

This would be a tremendous way to put this issue to rest for him as reelection time approaches.

Bandy

Paslode · 02-13-2011, 13:06

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Originally Posted by bandycpa

Although Maher said he didn't think Obama was a Christian, he never argued that Obama was a Muslim either. Why would this create a different perception? Could it be that Obama not being a Christian (but being something else other than a Muslim) is not a big a deal as it would be if Obama was found to be Muslim?

Obama is a Chameleon, he changes color as his agenda or surroundings require.

Dusty · 02-13-2011, 13:14

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Originally Posted by bandycpa

But it's interesting how Maher approached this, and how it contrasts with others that have questioned Obama's religious beliefs. Before, it was surmised that Obama was a Muslim. The obvious answer from his camp was "no, he's Christian." The answer was assumed to be on either side the two extremes.

Although Maher said he didn't think Obama was a Christian, he never argued that Obama was a Muslim either. Why would this create a different perception? Could it be that Obama not being a Christian (but being something else other than a Muslim) is not a big a deal as it would be if Obama was found to be Muslim? Could the Obama administration use this particular tactic to get people to lay off of his faith preference?

This would be a tremendous way to put this issue to rest for him as reelection time approaches.

Bandy

I wouldn't get my hopes up, Bandy.

kgoerz · 02-13-2011, 13:59

Out of all the people I hate. Maher is the worst. His elitist attitude and disdain for this country make me sick. I would love to beat his ass. He was running his mouth on Leno the other night. He said Gun ownership is the same as being addicted to Drugs. Even the audience was like WTF over.

greenberetTFS · 02-13-2011, 14:35

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Originally Posted by kgoerz

Out of all the people I hate. Maher is the worst. His elitist attitude and disdain for this country make me sick. I would love to beat his ass. He was running his mouth on Leno the other night. He said Gun ownership is the same as being addicted to Drugs. Even the audience was like WTF over.

I completely concur............

Big Teddy

dr. mabuse · 02-13-2011, 14:39

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bandycpa · 02-13-2011, 14:55

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Originally Posted by Dusty

I wouldn't get my hopes up, Bandy.

Dusty, this isn't what I hope he does. Not at all, sir. I can just see this as being a way for Obama to distance himself from the Muslim issue by saying "I'm neither Christian *nor* Muslim. I'm secular-humanist (or insert name of religion here)."

When you're damned if you do or damned if you don't, the only way to keep from being damned at all is to make another way.

Dusty · 02-13-2011, 15:19

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Originally Posted by bandycpa

Dusty, this isn't what I hope he does. Not at all, sir. I can just see this as being a way for Obama to distance himself from the Muslim issue by saying "I'm neither Christian *nor* Muslim. I'm secular-humanist (or insert name of religion here)."

When you're damned if you do or damned if you don't, the only way to keep from being damned at all is to make another way.

I understand. My point is that the questions about him haven't been definitely answered after more than two years, so they probably won't before 2012.

**PRB** · 02-13-2011, 15:37

I've got an idea, let's just ignore the ahole...on every issue, like 'you are dead to me'

olhamada · 02-13-2011, 15:47

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Originally Posted by Dusty

I understand. My point is that the questions about him haven't been definitely answered after more than two years, so they probably won't before 2012.

Obama himself indicates he is not a Christian. Referencing Stephen Mansfield's book, "The Faith of Barak Obama", and Obama's own books, Obama says, "The Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology. On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites." [She tried to embed in me] "a common set of beliefs about how you treat other people and how you aspire to act, not just for yourself, but also for the greater good."

In his book, Mansfield goes on to show that Obama believes that "Christianity is but one religious tree rooted in the common ethical soil of all human experience". He believes that there are many paths to God (as do 57% of evangelicals according to a recent survey by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life). He believes prayer is a way to check one's ego, take stock of oneself, and maintain one's moral compass. Regarding a conversation he had with his daughter about the afterlife, Obama states, "I wasn't sure what happens when we die, anymore than I was sure of where the soul resides or what existed before the Big Bang." When asked about eternal punishment, he said, "I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell."

Though Obama says he believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for his sins and rose again, belief is not enough. His doubts about the exclusivity of Christ, original sin, eternal punishment and reward, inspiration and infallibility of scripture, ethical standards founded on the scripture, etc... make us question the genuineness of his belief and faith. The scriptures tell us that the devil believes - and trembles. Belief must take root in faith which then reveals itself in fruit as both Christ and the apostle Paul tell us.

So, after analyzing Obama's beliefs and background, though he may say that he is a Christian (as do upwards of 70% of Americans), he is not a follower of Christ in all that Christ is and teaches. He picks and chooses what he believes. In fact, he has done what many in our day do - he has created God in his own image returning the favor of God creating us in His. Obama's belief system proves to be rather pluralistic and pragmatic. In essence he is a secular humanist, but he is not truly a Christian. I am not trying to judge his heart, but I am looking at his fruit and making a general assessment based on what he says and how he lives his life. This is not saying he isn't a good man. I believe he is a good man (though with a depraved and dark heart like the rest of us). However, his words and life indicate that he does not know the Creator of the universe, our Lord and Saviour Jesus the Christ.

So as much as you may dislike Maher, I think he's right on this one.

olhamada · 02-13-2011, 15:52

BTW, if he is indeed Muslim, he is as bad of a Muslim as he is a Christian (were he really Christian).

Dusty · 02-13-2011, 15:57

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, I also believe he is a great leader with great vision.

Please list an example of either great leadership or great vision.

olhamada · 02-13-2011, 16:03

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Please list an example of either great leadership or great vision.

Please excuse that.

I actually wrote much of the above as part of a book review for Thomas Nelson Publishers before he was elected. After watching him in the Democratic Primary Debates, though i didn't like it, I knew he was going to be our next President because he was eloquent, black, the antithesis of Bush, and connected with the nation on an emotional level - in fact I blogged on that in November 2008. I hoped against hope that there was something there. i was sadly mistaken.

I'll edit that part out - because I do not believe it and never have - just hoped it was so.....besides, as a reviewer for TNP. I was trying to be PC. :-)