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Old 02-01-2011, 09:24   #1
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English-Only and English as Official Language Bills Gain Momentum

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State legislators in Indiana and Minnesota are pushing laws requiring public documents and other government business in those states to be done only in English.

Minnesota state Senators introduced their bill on Monday; the measure is similar to one introduced in the state House earlier this month.

Indiana state House representatives voted 63 to 26 last week to require all business to be conducted in English. Next the bill heads to the state Senate. Like Minnesota, Indiana’s measure allows exceptions to the English-only rule in cases of public health or safety situations.

Official English advocates say they feel the momentum is on their side this year, with many Republicans who support the measure having won in the November elections and in a position to move the issue forward.

“No doubt about it,” said Tim Schultz, director of government relations for U.S. English, the Washington D. C. group that leads national lobbying efforts for Official English laws.

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Schultz said action on Official English language bills should come soon in Congress, as well. He said U.S. English has worked with Rep. Steve King, the Iowa Republican who is vice chairman of the House Subcommittee on Immigration Policy and Enforcement, on a bill that he says is likely to be introduced in the next few weeks.

King could not be reached for comment.

Schultz said 31 states have Official English language measures, though a great deal of them, he said, are largely symbolic, doing little more than declaring English the language of the state.

Indiana actually has had an Official English measure since 1984, but it’s been largely symbolic, Schultz said.

Those who support Official English bills say they are necessary because the business of government should not be conducted in foreign languages. They believe that foreign language services and documents – such as government agency documents, applications, driver’s license exams and voting ballots, for instance – make immigrants less driven to learn English.

“We are making our statement that even though we’re a diverse country, we have one official language, and it’s English,” said Indiana Rep. Ralph Foley, who is Republican.

Indiana Sen. Mike Delph, also a Republican, said that his state’s residents are tired of pressing “1” for English when calling businesses, or hearing Spanish announcements over the Wal-Mart intercom or struggling to understand a worker in the McDonald’s drive-thru.

He said that although the measures in the state legislature don’t address those situations, they send the message that that English is the language to be spoken in Indiana.

He said the state’s website shouldn’t have Spanish information, and that public universities should not even print applications for foreign students at taxpayer expense.

Critics of such measures say they are mean-spirited and unnecessary. They believe they are discriminatory and hostile to immigrants’ native languages and cultures.

In Indiana, opponents of the measure say it does not provide adequate details about what documents and agencies should be included, and they say it lacks a comprehensive list of state documents that would be affected.

Some state departments are seeking exemptions. Among them is the Department of Revenue, which offers Spanish forms on its website and gets thousands of calls a year from Latino residents seeking information about taxes.

Indiana Senate President pro tempore David Long, a Republican, has expressed ambivalence about the Official English bill.

“There are plenty of people here legally whose dominant language is still Spanish,” Long said. “That’s historically been true of many immigrants.”

Rep. Matt Pierce, a Democrat, questions the full practical effect of the proposal, and says it’s even more difficult to know why it’s needed, since supporters aren’t pointing to any particular foreign-language documents that are creating problems.

He says one thing is clear, however.

“That was a message for the tea party crowd,” he said. “Republicans wanted to send a message to certain supporters who seem to be on the rise in their party that they’re with them.”

He added that when delegates drafted the Indiana Constitution more than 150 years ago, they ordered thousands of copies printed in German so that German-speaking residents would understand. But, Pierce noted, that drew few questions and little controversy.
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Old 02-01-2011, 16:24   #2
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Will I ever be able to stop pressing 1 for English?
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Old 02-01-2011, 17:02   #3
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I hope that they succeed in establishing English as the only official language and that other States catch on. I deal with Spanish only speakers on a daily basis and find it very frustrating. It's come to the point where I won't even try to talk to them when they call on the phone. I can speak a little and read it better but this is our country and not theirs.

Me no habla espanol!

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Old 02-01-2011, 17:49   #4
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By the admission of the legislation's own sponsors, the proposed law would not fix the issue it seeks to address. (And what about the hidden costs in time and money as non English speakers try to navigate bureaucracies processes?)

So, okay, let's spend more money on a partial solution to an issue so we can spend money on that same issue down the line so we can tell 'them' how they should live their lives in "our" country.
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I'm in favor of legislation mandating that immigrants speak English prior to being permitted to enter the Country.
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Old 02-01-2011, 18:11   #6
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I'm in favor of legislation mandating that immigrants speak English prior to being permitted to enter the Country.
As annoying and, at times, offensive as I may find folks not speaking English [rant deleted], I think the solutions are to be found in our cultural practices, not statehouses.

If we must go the legislative route, I hope that we'll be savvy enough to avoid laws that echo some of the most self-destructive rhetoric uttered in nineteenth century America.

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Old 02-02-2011, 12:27   #7
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So, okay, let's spend more money on a partial solution to an issue so we can spend money on that same issue down the line so we can tell 'them' how they should live their lives in "our" country.
Oh please, would we be able to live "our" lives in "their" countries? Not so much.

The book American Passage outlines just how difficult it used to be to enter this country, for a lot of reasons I agree with many of the "rules". When my ancestors entered the US they were fully prepared to do their best to learn the language and assimilate, which they did without forgetting their roots.

If they managed to do this, WHY oh WHY can't the "FNGs"?

I'll tell you why. Many of them are too lazy to do so and come here with their hands held out in expectation of what WE will give them...and that WE should adapt to THEM.

Screw that noise.
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Oh please, would we be able to live "our" lives in "their" countries? Not so much.

The book American Passage outlines just how difficult it used to be to enter this country, for a lot of reasons I agree with many of the "rules". When my ancestors entered the US they were fully prepared to do their best to learn the language and assimilate, which they did without forgetting their roots.

If they managed to do this, WHY oh WHY can't the "FNGs"?

I'll tell you why. Many of them are too lazy to do so and come here with their hands held out in expectation of what WE will give them...and that WE should adapt to THEM.

Screw that noise.
Is yelling over and over "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG, YOU LAZY SO AND SO" a sustainable teaching technique?

If we want people to embrace the pluralistic values of this nation and then are so quick to heap derision upon them when they hesitate, we shouldn't be surprised that they continue to hesitate.
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Is yelling over and over "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG, YOU LAZY SO AND SO" a sustainable teaching technique?

If we want people to embrace the pluralistic values of this nation and then are so quick to heap derision upon them when they hesitate, we shouldn't be surprised that they continue to hesitate.
Hmm, worked for my parents.


I'm not deriding anyone. I am however talking about the people that DO NOT try. At all.
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Old 02-02-2011, 12:41   #10
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Multiculturalism doesn't work. Ask Merkel or anybody else who's tried it.

Assimilating means learning English.

If you're gonna move here, plan to assimilate or go back to your point of origin.
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Old 02-02-2011, 12:58   #11
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The vast majority of the most hated "press one for english" is a service provided by business who are trying to provide good customer service. I certainly hope your not looking to add more regulations to business.

As for signs in other languages, I like to travel internationally and every time I am overseas I am very appreciative of signs and forms in English.
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Is yelling over and over "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG, YOU LAZY SO AND SO" a sustainable teaching technique?
Crap! I am too close to the end of my teaching career to change all my lesson plans now!
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Old 02-02-2011, 14:05   #13
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The vast majority of the most hated "press one for english" is a service provided by business who are trying to provide good customer service. .................
Good costomer service would be having somebody pick up a phone and answer a simple question. Talk about saving money - how about all the folks who have to sit through minutes of recorded messages pressing numbers now and again as you wade through the selections - and then miss the right number and have to start all over again.

Funny how a business - like a doctor - has little worry about wasting my time.
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Old 02-02-2011, 14:08   #14
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Will I ever be able to stop pressing 1 for English?
I've stopped. In a check out line at Home Depot, when that popped up on the screen, the attendant said "Sir, now you need to press 1 for English", I politely declined. She smiled, reached across and pressed the 1 and told me a lot of people refused. I'll keep shopping at Home Depot.

At Lowes, I listened to a long friendly conversation between the clerk and a fellow checking out with some serious construction materials, every word was Spanish. When he left, I stepped up and asked her to ring up 6 bags of Redi-mix. She didn't know what that was. Then I asked for concrete. Had to help her look up the word in a notebook to find the size/price and point. Never again.

Why don't we try this?

Let the legal applicants in with a time-stamped visa (or whatever form of ID we issue them.

Test them after 6 months. (Or a year, whatever is reasonable)

It doesn't need to be Phd stuff, or even history or geography.

The test? Make a huge list of interactions (in english) which they must explain correctly, a list way too long for *anyone* to memorize. Generate a reasonable random test from possible variations along the lines below.

Write down things like "Help, my son/daughter is lost. She is wearing a brown jacket/ blue jumper, and tennis shoes/boots. She has long brown/short blonde/medium length curly red hair. I think she's with my ex-husband who is (describe), or my mother (describe).

Add stuff like "God, this pain in my chest, please call xxx-xxxx, and tell them "............". and where we are.

(Endless variations are possible). Make it one long written test and a high score mandatory for continued residency and continuation on the path to citizenship.

Pass it or leave.

The premise? Be ready to help *me* before you ask for my help in this country. This is not a one-way transaction. It is not a gift.

Until then, at the door of every school/hospital/or any other public facility, we will furnish instructions in multiple languages

when you press "1", on how turn around and get outta my face,

or "2" how to back away from me cautiously *without* turning around, cause you're the fourth one today and I've had my fill.

press "3" for INS.
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I don't remember the last time I had to press ANY button for "English" and I live in AZ - the front lines of the immigration battle. I live not too far from a "Little Oaxaca" and used to live smack-dab between "Chihuahua North" and "Little Guatemala City"! Around here, that I have found, if you don't want English, you have to press something. (Often, it is said in Spanish..."Para Espanol, oprime las dos." Creo que es asi, pero no me recuerde exactamente.) YMMV
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