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Old 01-28-2011, 15:00   #1
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The day part of the Internet died: Egypt goes dark

The day part of the Internet died: Egypt goes dark

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/The-da...37415.html?x=0

".................Egypt has apparently done what many technologists thought was unthinkable for any country with a major Internet economy: It unplugged itself entirely from the Internet to try and silence dissent.

Experts say it's unlikely that what's happened in Egypt could happen in the United States because the U.S. has numerous Internet providers and ways of connecting to the Internet. Coordinating a simultaneous shutdown would be a massive undertaking........................"

Control - when government has control it can turn it off. Glad to see it will never happen here - YET!
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Old 01-28-2011, 15:12   #2
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Experts say it's unlikely
I don't trust "experts" and I don't trust the word "unlikely."
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Old 01-28-2011, 15:25   #3
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The day part of the Internet died: Egypt goes dark

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/The-da...37415.html?x=0

".................Egypt has apparently done what many technologists thought was unthinkable for any country with a major Internet economy: It unplugged itself entirely from the Internet to try and silence dissent.

Experts say it's unlikely that what's happened in Egypt could happen in the United States because the U.S. has numerous Internet providers and ways of connecting to the Internet. Coordinating a simultaneous shutdown would be a massive undertaking........................"

Control - when government has control it can turn it off. Glad to see it will never happen here - YET!
Pete Sir,

Just read that on foxnews, AND cell phone service, to boot. Scary thought, because I did not know that Governments could do that...
Come to think of it, am guessing the U.S. Constitution has nothing in it concerning the "right" to online providers/cell phone providers, and so technically Our gov. could do the same???

Hope that Our Embassy staff there is getting prepared...

Note to self: Must break out some of my Grandpa's old morse code hardbacks....and get equipped.....

Hmmmm....

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Old 01-28-2011, 15:33   #4
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Between the "internet kill switch" bill and the net-neutrality horse pucky, I think it could easily happen here.
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Old 01-28-2011, 16:19   #5
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Here are three stories/links that may help provide some insight into various governments and their Internet activities (and Egypt, specifically in the first story).

The final (third) link is a BBC story about what some in the world believe as far as Internet access being a fundamental right.


(1) Reporters without Borders:


Journalists targeted by police violence, arrests

Published on Friday 28 January 2011. Mis a jour le Thursday 27 January 2011.

http://en.rsf.org/egypt-internet-cen...011,39400.html


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"Reporters Without Borders roundly condemns police use violence against journalists covering Egypt’s street protests. It is hard to establish exactly how many journalists have been arrested or physically attacked by police officers in the past 48 hours. According to the latest information obtained by Reporters Without Borders, more than a dozen journalists have been arrested.

We urge the Egyptian authorities to allow journalists to work without fear of being arrested or attacked by those who are supposed to protect them. We also call for the immediate release of all the media workers still being held and an end to the blocking of communications. It is essential for the Egyptian people to have access to reliable information about the events of the past few days.

Reporters Without Borders reminds the Egyptian authorities that the United States has urged them not to disrupt online social networks. US secretary of state Hillary Clinton also voiced concern about the arrests of journalists. France has called on Egypt to respect civil liberties including freedom of expression.

Facebook and Twitter are reportedly being blocked intermittently. Telephone communications were blocked today in Suez and the surrounding area because of the many protests being organized in response to the death of three demonstrators in yesterday’s clashes in this port city."


(2) Reporters without Borders another link -- Internet -- a number of descriptions of what is going on in select countries here:

http://en.rsf.org/internet.html


(3) Internet access is 'a fundamental right'


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8548190.stm

Excerpt:

"Almost four in five people around the world believe that access to the internet is a fundamental right, a poll for the BBC World Service suggests.

The survey - of more than 27,000 adults across 26 countries - found strong support for net access on both sides of the digital divide.

Countries such as Finland and Estonia have already ruled that access is a human right for their citizens.

International bodies such as the UN are also pushing for universal net access."
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Hope that Our Embassy staff there is getting prepared...
Ever seen the Embassy in Cairo? It's a damn fort.

well now that's interesting . . . went to find a picture; and none of the links associated with "US embassy cairo" could be reached.

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Ever seen the Embassy in Cairo? It's a damn fort.

well now that's interesting . . . went to find a picture; and none of the links associated with "US embassy cairo" came up.
Dozer Sir,

No Sir...The only American Embassy I have ever seen from outside and in, is in Peru.
Just saw an inteview on Fox with one of the Iranian Embassy hostages from the days of the Sha, and he was saying the Marine Guard was not responsible for the security outside the Embassy, but that the host Country was.

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Old 01-28-2011, 21:11   #8
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Clinton Aide: Twitter Revolts, Like in Egypt, Take Just Weeks

Two Egypt threads, figured this one makes the most sense.

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http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/was...ake-just-weeks

By Paul Bedard

Clinton Aide: Twitter Revolts, Like in Egypt, Take Just Weeks

Posted: January 28, 2011

Share ThisBeware the social media organized revolutions taking place in countries like Egypt, Jordan, and Albania. A top aide to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says they work, and fast.

Alec Ross, Clinton's senior adviser for innovation, says that with online tools and social networking sites like Twitter and Facebook, uprisings can flash together quickly and results can come quickly.

"Revolutions no longer take months," he told an audience at the Clinton School of Public Service in Little Rock, Ark., this week. "They take weeks." Why? The Internet. "You can go from zero to 60 like that," he says, according to our Suzi Parker who covered his speech.

Ross says that "connection technologies" act as accelerants for revolutions. The days of meetings in basements and safe houses to organize are over, but he says governments can also wield social media for their own reasons. "Networks disrupt for good and for ill," he says.

Anticipating Friday's protests, Egypt moved to shut down cellular phone and Internet service.

But Ross, who has over 300,000 Twitter followers, says that governments like Tunisia and Egypt should not "batten down the hatches" and cut off communications. As Ross tweeted early Friday, "The USA continues to urge the Govt of #Egypt to allow peaceful demonstrations and no blocking of communications, including Internet."

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The day part of the Internet died: Egypt goes dark

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/The-da...37415.html?x=0

".................Egypt has apparently done what many technologists thought was unthinkable for any country with a major Internet economy: It unplugged itself entirely from the Internet to try and silence dissent.

Experts say it's unlikely that what's happened in Egypt could happen in the United States because the U.S. has numerous Internet providers and ways of connecting to the Internet. Coordinating a simultaneous shutdown would be a massive undertaking........................"

Control - when government has control it can turn it off. Glad to see it will never happen here - YET!

Egypt = Dictatorship always has been. Most Middle Eastern countries are dictatorships, just "labeled" differently. There is no free speech in any of these countries.

Pete, Every time I entertain the idea that something like that could happen in the USA I take into account the 2000 or so "Green Hatted" individuals on active duty and the 10,000+ former "Green Hatted" individuals alive today all over the USA (and world). That coupled with all the men of the US Special Operations combined (former and active), I sleep very well at night.

Besides, our military would not allow a dictatorship to occur, it cannot, we are sworn to defend a piece of paper, not an office with a label.

And, these "weapons systems" do not have an off switch.

The only way to bring this nation to its knees would be to destroy it from within.........


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Old 01-29-2011, 08:48   #10
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When it comes to the WWW and the USA, I seriously doubt the US Govt would ever have either the temerity or the ability to shut it down because of the preponderance of effin' Übergeeks living here. They built and own the Web - it's their electronic Bill of Rights and they're adamant about it.

Ever see what a bunch of those guys can do when they get riled and start poundin' their keyboards...

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Old 01-29-2011, 08:58   #11
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Someone is putting out the message re Egyptian revolution:

http://www.egyptianrevolution.com/
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http://www.theage.com.au/technology/...131-1aah3.html

As Egypt's government attempts to crackdown on street protests by shutting down internet and mobile phone services, the US is preparing to reintroduce a bill that could be used to shut down the internet.

The legislation, which would grant US President Barack Obama powers to seize control of and even shut down the internet, would soon be reintroduced to a senate committee, Wired.com reported.

It was initially introduced last year but expired with a new Congress.

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Senator Susan Collins, a co-sponsor of the bill, said that unlike in Egypt, where the government was using its powers to quell dissent by shutting down the internet, it would not.

“My legislation would provide a mechanism for the government to work with the private sector in the event of a true cyber emergency,” Collins said in an emailed statement to Wired. “It would give our nation the best tools available to swiftly respond to a significant threat.”

The proposed legislation, introduced into the US Senate by independent senator Joe Lieberman, who is chairman of the US Homeland Security committee, seeks to grant the President broad emergency powers over the internet in times of national emergency.


Last year, Lieberman argued the bill was necessary to "preserve those networks and assets and our country and protect our people".

He said that, for all its allure, the internet could also be a "dangerous place with electronic pipelines that run directly into everything from our personal bank accounts to key infrastructure to government and industrial secrets".

US economic security, national security and public safety were now all at risk from new kinds of enemies, including "cyber warriors, cyber spies, cyber terrorists and cyber criminals".

Although the bill was targetted at protecting the US, many have said it would also affect other nations.

One of Australia's top communications experts, University of Sydney associate professor Bjorn Landfeldt, had previously railed against the idea, saying shutting down the internet would "inflict an enormous damage on the entire world".

He said it would be like giving a single country "the right to poison the atmosphere, or poison the ocean".

The scale of Egypt's crackdown on the internet and mobile phones amid deadly protests against the rule of President Hosni Mubarak is unprecedented in the history of the web, experts have said.

US President Barack Obama, social networking sites and rights groups around the world all condemned the moves by Egyptian authorities to stop activists using mobile phones and cyber technology to organise rallies.

"It's a first in the history of the internet," Rik Ferguson, an expert for Trend Micro, the world's third biggest computer security firm, said.

Julien Coulon, co-founder of Cedexis, a French internet performance monitoring and traffic management system, added: "In 24 hours we have lost 97 per cent of Egyptian internet traffic".

Despite this, many Egyptians are finding ways to get access, some using international telephone numbers to gain access to dial-up internet.

According to Renesys, a US Internet monitoring company, Egypt's four main internet service providers cut off international access to their customers in a near simultaneous move at 2234 GMT on Thursday.

Around 23 million Egyptians have either regular or occasional access to the internet, according to official figures, more than a quarter of the population.

"In an action unprecedented in internet history, the Egyptian government appears to have ordered service providers to shut down all international connections to the internet," James Cowie of Renesys said in a blog post.

Link Egypt, Vodafone/Raya, Telecom Egypt and Etisalat Misr were all off air but Cowie said one exception was the Noor Group, which still has 83 live routes to its Egyptian customers.

He said it was not clear why the Noor Group was apparently unaffected "but we observe that the Egyptian Stock Exchange (www.egyptse.com) is still alive at a Noor address."

Mobile telephone networks were also severely disrupted in the country on Friday. Phone signals were patchy and text messages inoperative.

British-based Vodafone said all mobile operators in Egypt had been "instructed" Friday to suspend services in some areas amid spiralling unrest, adding that under Egyptian law it was "obliged" to comply with the order.

Egyptian operator ECMS, linked to France's Telecom-Orange, said the authorities had ordered them to shut them off late Thursday.

"We had no warning, it was quite sudden," a spokesman for Telecom-Orange told AFP in France.

The shutdown in Egypt is the most comprehensive official electronic blackout of its kind, experts said.

Links to the web were cut for only a few days during a wave of protests against Myanmar's ruling military junta in 2007, while demonstrations against the re-election of Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in 2009 specifically targeted Twitter and Facebook.

Egypt – like Tunisia where mass popular unrest drove out Zine El Abidine Ben Ali earlier this month – is on a list of 13 countries classed as "enemies of the internet" by media rights group Reporters Without Borders (RSF).

"So far there has been no systematic filtering by Egyptian authorities – they have completely controlled the whole internet," said Soazig Dollet, the Middle East and North Africa specialist for RSF.

Condemnation of Egypt's internet crackdown has been widespread.

Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called on Cairo to restore the internet and social networking sites.

Facebook, the world's largest social network with nearly 600 million members, and Twitter also weighed in.

"Although the turmoil in Egypt is a matter for the Egyptian people and their government to resolve, limiting Internet access for millions of people is a matter of concern for the global community," said Andrew Noyes, a Facebook spokesman.

Twitter, which has more than 175 million registered users, said of efforts to block the service in Egypt: "We believe that the open exchange of info & views benefits societies & helps govts better connect w/ their people."

US digital rights groups also criticised the Egyptian government.

"This action is inconsistent with all international human rights norms, and is unprecedented in internet history," said Leslie Harris, president of the Center for Democracy and Technology in the United States.
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As Egypt goes offline US gets internet 'kill switch' bill ready

The talking head helping this along?


".......Senator Susan Collins, a co-sponsor of the bill, said that unlike in Egypt, where the government was using its powers to quell dissent by shutting down the internet, it would not.............."

RINOs - Bah, humbug!
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Old 01-31-2011, 15:22   #14
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".......Senator Susan Collins, a co-sponsor of the bill, said that unlike in Egypt, where the government was using its powers to quell dissent by shutting down the internet, it would not.............."

RINOs - Bah, humbug!
If that is truly the case, what would her (their) purpose be? I wonder if she thought that one out before making that statement?
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When it comes to the WWW and the USA, I seriously doubt the US Govt would ever have either the temerity or the ability to shut it down because of the preponderance of effin' Übergeeks living here. They built and own the Web - it's their electronic Bill of Rights and they're adamant about it.

Ever see what a bunch of those guys can do when they get riled and start poundin' their keyboards...

Richard
Yep, and so have several businesses for refusing to deal with wikileaks. Matter of fact our own house was hit with a DDoS not that long ago. They (the "man") don't have to shut off all of it...just hamper enough of it to accomplish their goals.

Think CARVER, how long do you want it taken down, how fast do you want it back up, and what's our target audience?
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