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Old 01-24-2011, 16:14   #1
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2011 State of the Union Address

Hopefully, this year's edition of the SUA thread will go better than last year's.

Resources

Previous state of the union addresses can be found here <<LINK>>. Note the links to statistical information in the box to the right of the web page.

The White House will broadcast the SUA on the internet here.

As the outcome of the 2012 midterm elections has been compared to the 1982 midterms, one might be interested to see how President Reagan responded in his 1983 SUA here.


N.B. The Tiffany Network's regular Tuesday night line up, including The Good Wife, will return on 1 February with new episodes.
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Old 01-24-2011, 16:52   #2
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State of the Union? It's gonna be a looooooong coupla years.
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Old 01-24-2011, 16:54   #3
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Damn Dusty, please quit holding back and let us know how you really feel.
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Old 01-24-2011, 16:55   #4
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Damn Dusty, please quit holding back and let us know how you really feel.
It's gonna be a loooooooooong coupla years.
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No, I feel you. It was stated about as clear and direct as it comes. Much appreciated - like fresh air.
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Old 01-24-2011, 18:45   #6
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State of the Union? It's gonna be a looooooong coupla years.
True, but at least next year is election year. You'd like to think it will keep at least some of them on their toes...
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:38   #7
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Date night / Prom night what BS

How State of the Union became a prom
By Donna Brazile, CNN Contributor
January 25, 2011 8:07 a.m. EST
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/01/2...ex.html?hpt=T2

* Traditionally, members of Congress sit with their own party at State of the Union
* Members from opposing parties are planning to sit together this year
* Donna Brazile says the Udall family had a role in promoting civility
* It's good for the country that people of different views sit together, she says

Editor's note: Donna Brazile, a CNN contributor and a Democratic strategist, is vice chairwoman for voter registration and participation at the Democratic National Committee, a nationally syndicated columnist and an adjunct professor at Georgetown University. She was manager for the Gore-Lieberman presidential campaign in 2000 and wrote "Cooking With Grease."

Washington (CNN) -- It figures it would take the Udall family to bring a touch of good-naturedness to the center of American government and politics -- the U.S. Congress.

Prodded by the tragedy of the Tucson, Arizona, shooting, Sen. Mark Udall, D-Colorado, has enthusiastically embraced the centrist idea proposed by Third Way to foster an era of Congressional civility by inviting a Republican to sit with him during the State of the Union.

Though there are no assigned seats, the event traditionally has partisan seating, where one side wildly applauds the president, while those on the other side sit on their hands. Or sometimes yells, "You Lie" or even boos the president of the United States.

The GOP's 2008 presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, announced he will be sitting with Udall's cousin, Sen. Tom Udall, D-New Mexico. McCain told CBS' "Face the Nation," "It might be nice to cut back a little bit on all the jumping up and down," which he likened to a cheerleading rally.

Mark Udall's father and Tom's uncle was the late Rep. Morris Udall, D-Arizona, who the Washington Post called an "immensely witty and universally respected" representative. The good-humored Udall ran for president in 1976 and pundits have not seen the likes of him since the joke-telling Abraham Lincoln ran for office.
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Of course, friction between members of opposing parties has always existed to some degree. Author Carl Sandburg relates the story that Lincoln found himself staying in the same hotel as a Democratic Illinois state senator, one Mason Brayman. Lincoln invited Brayman to join him for dinner.

Admirers of Lincoln, a Republican, stopped by their table. Brayman later told friends, "Lincoln turned half round (and) introduced me as a Democrat, but one so good tempered that he and I 'could eat out of the same rack without a pole between us.' "

Date night for Congress

For more than a few decades, breaking bread together has rarely been common between Republican and Democratic legislators. In fact, they not only do not eat together, they often find it hard to eat in the same room, unless appearing at the Gridiron Dinner.

When I saw Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Connecticut, the other day before his appearance on "This Week" with Christiane Amanpour, I inquired about his date. Lieberman informed me, "Like my prom, I haven't figured it out yet." Later, I suggested calling newly re-elected write-in candidate Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska.

To date, more than 60 members have signed up to sit next to one of their colleagues from a different party. Democratic New York Sen. Charles Schumer has invited Republican Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, who has accepted. While acknowledging that sitting together is symbolic, Schumer added, "Maybe it just sets a tone and everything gets a little bit more civil."

The Udalls' good will has caught on. And the press is having fun, detailing who is sitting with whom, under headlines like: "Who's Got a Date to the State of the Union?" Amanpour, who asked Lieberman about his date, caught Texas GOP Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison off-guard when she asked her this Sunday, "Who's your date?"

"I haven't been there. I don't have a date," Hutchison admitted.

Sen. Kent Conrad, a North Dakota Democrat, also on the show, piped up and said, "Kay, I'm available."

No word yet if that invitation was accepted.

"I asked one of my best girlfriends to be my date for the night," Sen. Mary Landrieu, a Louisiana Democrat, told The New York Times. That would be Maine's moderate Republican, Sen. Olympia Snowe. Landrieu suggested they might "triple date" with "really great guys" like Republicans Bob Corker of Tennessee and Johnny Isakson of Georgia.

Even opposite pole senators such as Democrat Bob Casey and Republican Pat Toomey are sitting together as the Pennsylvania delegation. That pattern is also being followed by Illinois' two senators, Richard Durbin and Mark Steven Kirk, and the entire Colorado and Arizona congressional delegations.

Toomey and Casey issued a joint press release, each declaring, "I look forward to working together and hope the bipartisan spirit will continue for all members of Congress."

Former House Speaker Thomas "Tip" O'Neill and President Ronald Reagan would be proud of their heirs -- Democrats and Republicans alike -- for truly demonstrating what civility could look like. We don't all have to agree with each other, but for the good of the country, it's important that we sit together as Americans. After all, this could be good for the country, too.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Donna Brazile.
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Old 01-25-2011, 12:37   #8
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Damn Dusty, please quit holding back and let us know how you really feel.
Just saw your post, Dusty is outside in the woods hunting right now, thought I'd post a trailer to the SUA, 2011.

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Thanks WD. Just what I needed for lunch break...first this prom night, date night BS and now the Borg...(burp) excuse me...now, as I get back to my fava beans and that lovely Chianti. Maybe if I eat and drink enough I can sleep through tonight's speech. At least we won't have to watch Pelosi Galore jump up and down like a trained seal. This IS going to be a looooooooooong coupla years.
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[F]irst this prom night, date night BS[.]
Out of curiosity, why do you think it to be 'bs'? Are you generally opposed to American political pageantry?
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Old 01-25-2011, 13:41   #11
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To each his own

No secret. I do not particularly care for this administration's political pageantry, propagandists or its policies. Full stop. To each his own. YMMV.

Maybe I'm just sore that I don't have a date for the prom.
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Old 01-25-2011, 13:45   #12
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No secret. I do not particularly care for this administration's political pageantry, propagandists or its policies.
Okay. We agree on this point.

However, the article you posted makes it clear that this initiative is coming from the legislative branch, not the current administration.
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Okay. We agree on this point.

However, the article you posted makes it clear that this initiative is coming from the legislative branch, not the current administration.
Oh, well in that case...are you kidding, IMO this is pure theatrical BS - I do not particularity care about who sits next to whom or who thought of it - or who has a date. They sure weren't asking to sit together before the mid-term elections or during that Obamacare fiasco.

Maybe Udall should invite Sarah Palin to sit with him.

Now, where's my fricken date for this prom -- I may have to drink more for this one then back in the day -- but I do expect a similar result.
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Oh, well in that case...are you kidding, IMO this is pure theatrical BS - I do not particularity care about who sits next to whom or who thought of it - or who has a date. They sure weren't asking to sit together before the mid-term elections or during that Obamacare fiasco.

Maybe Udall should invite Sarah Palin to sit with him.

Now, where's my fricken date for this prom -- I may have to drink more for this one then back in the day -- but I do expect a similar result.
No, I'm not kidding.

While I am somewhat snarky, I do not think it is wise to let cynicism get in the way of acknowledging and encouraging a change in behavior--especially when that change is one I've been wanting for years. (That is, a resurgence of institutional political identity among members of congress.)

As we get ever closer to the 2012 election cycle, I think it is time to start thinking about how we're going to discuss politics and policies with our fellow citizens who do not agree with us. In those types of discussions, how far are snark and a dismissive tone going to go in getting people to reconsider their viewpoints?
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No, I'm not kidding.

In those types of discussions, how far are snark and a dismissive tone going to go in getting people to reconsider their viewpoints?

Guess I'm fucked.

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