01-13-2011, 17:56
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Restriction of “10 to 15 rounds makes sense.
http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...-passes-muster
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Gun surprise: 2nd Amendment advocate says ban on high-capacity clips passes muster
By Michael Isikoff
NBC News National Investigative Correspondent
A leading gun rights advocate says there is no constitutional barrier to restricting the sale of high-capacity gun magazines such as the one used by accused Tucson shooter Jared Loughner and that such proposals are justified to prevent “looney tunes” from committing more gun massacres.
Robert A. Levy, who served as co-counsel in the landmark 2008 Supreme Court case that established a Second Amendment right to bear arms, said there was no reason the court’s decision in that case should apply to the purchase of high-capacity gun magazines.
“I don’t see any constitutional bar to regulating high-capacity magazines,” Levy said in an interview with NBC. “Justice (Antonin) Scalia made it quite clear some regulations are permitted. The Second Amendment is not absolute.”
The comments by Levy, chairman of the board of the libertarian Cato Institute, come as Democratic Rep. Carolyn McCarthy of New York is preparing to circulate a bill Thursday to ban the sale or transfer of high-capacity magazines. Supporters took Levy’s comments as a sign that at least one gun rights advocates might be open to the idea.
“For somebody like him to say this is significant,” said Kristen Rand, legislative director of the Violence Policy Center, a leading gun control group. Levy had been one of the lead lawyers for gun rights advocates in District of Columbia v. Heller, the 2008 case in which the Supreme Court overturned a Washington, D.C., ban on handgun ownership and affirmed for the first time that the Second Amendment encompassed an individual right to own firearms.
There is little doubt that any gun control proposal will face tough sledding in the Congress. A spokesman said today that House Majority Leader Eric Cantor is against the idea. One leading gun rights group, Gun Owners of America, posted a statement on its website this week denouncing “liberal politicians flocking like vultures” to gain political advantage from the Tucson tragedy by proposing gun control measures.
But gun control groups argue that measures like one being proposed by McCarthy in the House (and Sen. Frank Lautenberg, who is sponsoring a similar bill in the Senate) are so modest and reasonable that they could gain traction. Law enforcement officials have noted that Loughner’s high-capacity magazine substantially increased the lethality of his rampage. Witnesses said he was able to get off at least 31 shots without reloading and was only wrestled to the ground when he tried to reload with another high-capacity magazine. The manufacture of such magazines were prohibited under the 1994 federal assault weapons ban, but that law lapsed in 2004, and gun experts say the sale of such magazines have since proliferated.
President Obama, during his 2008 campaign, supporting reinstating the assault weapons ban, but abandoned the idea as politically impractical after taking office. This week, the White House has declined to respond to requests for comment on whether the president would support a restriction on high-capacity magazines.
Although he is strongly opposed to most gun control measures, Levy said in this case “as a policy matter” restricting access to high-capacity magazines such as the 33-round one used by Loughner makes sense.
“It may stop a few of these looney tunes,” Levy said. While saying that he saw it as a “close call," he said that a restriction of “10 to 15 rounds makes sense.”
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01-13-2011, 18:27
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So the fellow facing 5 or 6 consecutive life sentences can avoid that 30 days at the end for having an illegal magazine.
Gotta love it.
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01-13-2011, 18:37
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I foresee a price spike on high cap mags now. On a purely selfish note I may finally see a return on the case of P-mags I purchased in November 2008.
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01-13-2011, 18:55
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Sounds like a good plan.
In 1993, Colin Ferguson fired 2 sensibly sized magazines in a LIRR commuter car killing 6 and wounding 19. Tackled while loading #3.
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01-13-2011, 20:28
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I wonder what this will mean for my beltfeds? I really dont want to cut up any belts.
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01-13-2011, 21:27
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I wonder what this will mean for my beltfeds? I really dont want to cut up any belts.
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Hope you are using plenty of sun screen over in Korea. You can't be too careful in January and February.
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01-13-2011, 21:40
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01-14-2011, 03:23
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If they propose that then it should be enforceable to the military and law enforcement also as everyone should be held to the same level. They seem to forget that it was one person who was responsible for the attack. Ban another object.
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01-14-2011, 05:12
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I think it's a good idea. Makes me realize that I need to get rid of my grandson's swingset so he won't break his neck.
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01-14-2011, 07:07
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I think it's a good idea. Makes me realize that I need to get rid of my grandson's swingset so he won't break his neck.
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1st the hi-cap magazines,, then the swing set,, where will it stop??
My mother has false teeth,, she carries them in her pocket,, they are not registered as concealed weapons,, should I worry??
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01-14-2011, 08:27
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They will probably ban them from having more than six teeth in them. After all, she may go on a binge and eat to much. This could cause her harm.
Only the police force should have access to a full compliment of teeth in their prosthesis. ALL police personnel are highly trained and don't have the ability to make bad decisions like a common citizen. Once they undergo a few weeks training, they are no longer capable of overeating.
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01-14-2011, 09:48
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Originally Posted by Dusty
I think it's a good idea. Makes me realize that I need to get rid of my grandson's swingset so he won't break his neck.
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Not swingsets but sledding -
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/14...-sledding-ban/
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01-14-2011, 10:21
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"The school has ordered 'no trespassing' signs, but crews have to wait until the ground thaws before they can install them."
Reminds me of the Oceanside, California beach sign that read, "Do not touch, sign has sharp edges".
Wow, and I thought we we're at war with bad guys who are trying very hard to destroy us.
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01-14-2011, 10:38
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"The school has ordered 'no trespassing' signs, but crews have to wait until the ground thaws before they can install them."
Reminds me of the Oceanside, California beach sign that read, "Do not touch, sign has sharp edges".
Wow, and I thought we we're at war with bad guys who are trying very hard to destroy us.
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01-14-2011, 13:41
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This is why I went yesterday and purchased a new M&P 9 with 3 17 round magazines. I figured I'd get it while I still could.
Now I think I'll put in an order for a couple stripped lowers and pmags when I get my tax return.
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