What do you think about DADT?

[RichL025]

Just curious what the breakout of opinion is here. The military I'm currently surrounded by is much more liberal than the rest of the armed forces, so when I talk with my peers about this I'm sure I don't hear what the muddy-boots perspective is.

Edit: For the sake of fairness, assume that all current military laws about sexual harassment and fraternization will be enforced equally despite the sex of the members involved (I realize that's a whole separate discussion)

[T-Rock]

“The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal.” -Aristotle

[ryno]

I find it funny that there are many people who have never served and never intend to serve weighing in on this debate. I find it even funnier that Congress ignored the Joint Chiefs. Personally, I feel they should offer any of us that have a problem with DADT's repeal an immediate honorable discharge. I would love to see how many empty slots they would need to fill.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by RichL025

........Edit: For the sake of fairness, assume that all current military laws about sexual harassment and fraternization will be enforced equally despite the sex of the members involved (I realize that's a whole separate discussion)

Never happen. Gays are now a protected minority in the Military.

Best way to "fight" it is when they start asking who's gay and everyone check 'I am".

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by RichL025

Edit: For the sake of fairness, assume that all current military laws about sexual harassment and fraternization will be enforced equally despite the sex of the members involved (I realize that's a whole separate discussion)

The dumb f@%ks in DC opened a whole new can of worms and all you straight guys will be now be privileged to a new form of sexual harassment, like I and others I know have run into while working for Homo's.

Be prepared to be Gayzed at and for attempts to entice you to 'The Other side'.


The Military better get busy writing up a whole new rule book for Code of Conduct!

Sergeant Major, we have a report of an injured soldier.

What happened?

GSW, an ODA up north.

Really?

Ya!

Who was it?

John?

John who?

John Jones, SGT.

We have three Jones, all Sergeants. We have John H. Jones, E5, a John B. Jones, E6, and a John J. Jones, E7.

It's, ....wait.....

John H. Jones.

Is he the, .....the one?

Rumors, maybe. Cpl Smith filed a "Do Not Touch, Do Not Tell" complaint against John H., but his Supervisor, John B. has not forwarded it to you, as of the time of the GSW.

Shit, well,....what does the onsite medic say?

Doc Anderson wants to know if John H., is gay.

How did this start?

It appears, John H. touched once more the pecker of Cpl Smith, and well, Cpl Smith shot John H in the chest with an M4, sighting "emotional something, blah, blah, blah".

Understandable.

Sergeant Major, what do you want me to tell Doc Anderson?

Tell Doc Anderson, the situation looks bad for John H., and call the school house telling them we need another 18X graduate.

[Eagle5US]

It doesn't matter what any of US think...

The longer I serve, the more this is demonstrated to me.

Eagle

[Jgood]

Oh what fun social experiments again..I know we cant get the general public to support the gays so lets force the military to they can complain.

[mangler]

I can see it now. Every last piece of porn will now be banned from squad bays as someone will complain about Cpl. Corn's gay porn.

[plato]

Well, at lest in "my day" when the drill sergeant yelled "Vertical Butt Stroke", I knew what I was supposed to do

[Richard]

Let me understand this.

People are upset with Congress because they're thought to be out of touch with what the voters really want.

Polls show that generally 2/3 of the voters support the overturning of DADT.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145130/Su...Dont-Tell.aspx

DOD studies show that the military force's opinions on the topic generally (with some caveats) parallel those of national public opinion polls and that a phased in implementing of the repeal is quite manageable.

http://www.defense.gov/home/features...610_gatesdadt/

Congress finally does what polls show people want and the DOD says it can manage.

People are now upset with Congress because they're in touch with what the voters claim they wanted.

Personally, I don't fully understand why anybody would seek to be an elected representative for such a body politic.

And so it goes...

Richard

[Tree Potato]

Unfortunately at this point what us military members think on this issue no longer matters. We had a chance to quietly voice our opinions through our focus groups, surveys, and other such forums, and we've had time to write our Congressional leaders. The decision is being made, and regardless of our distaste the only option is to salute and execute a lawful order when it comes, and separate when eligible if it's that troublesome.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Richard

Let me understand this.

People are upset with Congress because they're thought to be out of touch with what the voters really want.

Polls show that generally 2/3 of the voters support the overturning of DADT.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145130/Su...Dont-Tell.aspx

DOD studies show that the military force's opinions on the topic generally (with some caveats) parallel those of national public opinion polls and that a phased in implementing of the repeal is quite manageable.

http://www.defense.gov/home/features...610_gatesdadt/

Congress finally does what polls show people want and the DOD says it can manage.

People are now upset with Congress because they're in touch with what the voters claim they wanted.

Personally, I don't fully understand why anybody would seek to be an elected representative for such a body politic.

And so it goes...

Richard

Personally I believe polls are skewed by the questions asked. A plain and simple vote by the masses as proven in California show the opposite of the polls and that is what I would trust...Should homosexual be allowed to marry...but the courts don't side with the People that they were built to serve, as shown in California.

I don't trust agenda driven mandates of the Elites in DC. A simple vote from those that that serve would have answered the question...IMO.

[Eagle5US]

Originally Posted by Richard

Let me understand this.

People are upset with Congress because they're thought to be out of touch with what the voters really want.

Polls show that generally 2/3 of the voters support the overturning of DADT.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145130/Su...Dont-Tell.aspx

DOD studies show that the military force's opinions on the topic generally (with some caveats) parallel those of national public opinion polls and that a phased in implementing of the repeal is quite manageable.

http://www.defense.gov/home/features...610_gatesdadt/

Congress finally does what polls show people want and the DOD says it can manage.

People are now upset with Congress because they're in touch with what the voters claim they wanted.

Personally, I don't fully understand why anybody would seek to be an elected representative for such a body politic.

And so it goes...

Richard

Not entirely true Richard - and you know this.

You are failing to mention that the population that DOD provided the DADT repeal "survey" to...the vast majority were support troops. Support troops where diversity is celebrated with parties, recognition, special contests to see "who is the bestest" at whatever their chosen EO subject matter may be. I have no doubt that it was purposely done in exactly this way...in order to support that very agenda.

Truth be told, 60% of the COMBAT troops polled were heavily against the repeal. 60% of those FIGHTING without the benefit of Salsa night, Neon bowling night, BK and Daily Green Beans needing a nutritionist on site because of the 5 cubes (as in 3 dimensional) vs the old 3 squares of CHOW each day served at the Liberty / Kandahar / Bagram DFAC followed by an hour long body massage by Helga.
The fighting force told their Commanders, who told their CG's, who told the Joint Chiefs...that this is a distraction. The USMC Chief went as far as to say that he didn't want this to be the reason he was visiting Marines in hospital missing limbs or worse...dead.
60% Richard...of those doing the FIGHTING. And ADM Mullen took the Political Route.
And we will now suffer the consequences.

As a matter if fact - regarding the combat troops POV:
"The study suggests an “abundance of care and preparation” is needed before changing personnel policy, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Tuesday. But he told reporters the concerns expressed by combat troops “do not present an insurmountable barrier to successful repeal of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.”‘"

[Tree Potato]

Originally Posted by Eagle5US

Truth be told, 60% of the COMBAT troops polled were heavily against the repeal. 60% of those FIGHTING without the benefit of Salsa night, Neon bowling night, BK and Daily Green Beans needing a nutritionist on site because of the 5 cubes (as in 3 dimensional) vs the old 3 squares of CHOW each day served at the Liberty / Kandahar / Bagram DFAC followed by an hour long body massage by Helga.

Amen, bro. This isn't about ensuring effective and cohesive combat units, it's about a political agenda. To those pushing the agenda it's more important than the lives of our warriors.

BTW, I don't recall ever seeing a Helga at Liberty... Filipino's Ina, Angel, and Isabel yes, but no Helga. You also kindly failed to mention the Safety sign "no drinking by the pool" at the Embassy, and the bowls of free condoms set out in the TMC's, despite GO-1 prohibiting both... no mixed signals there.
We apparently can't keep troops from breaking the rules and drinking and sexing it up in theater. Logically, we shouldn't expect any different from the gays in the ranks either; there will be some breaking the rules in dramatic ways, it's just a matter of time.