12-13-2010, 21:58
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German man castrates teenage daughter's 57-year-old boyfriend
An enraged father who disapproved of his daughter's older boyfriend went to his home and castrated him with a bread knife.
By Allan Hall, Berlin 10:11PM GMT 12 Dec 2010 Helmut Seifert, 47, an ethnic German originally from Russia, was enraged when he heard his 17-year-old daughter was having a relationship with Phillip Genscher, 57.
He went to police in the town of Bielefeld where he lives but officers said they were powerless to intervene. "The man then recruited two work colleagues at his factory and then went to the house of the victim," said police. "The man was forced to remove his trousers and, fully conscious, he was castrated. The severed testicles were taken away by the perpetrator." The man was close to bleeding to death but managed to call police. His life was saved but he remains a eunuch for life. Seifert pleaded guilty and will be on trial for attempted murder next year. But he has remained silent on who his accomplices were. He told police: "I received a phone call anonymously that my daughter was involved with a guy 40 years older than her. You said you couldn't stop him – so I did.
"I saw it as my duty as a father."
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Having daughters, I can appreciate this scenario "some what" but, did he have it coming or, is this over the top? Is this another Lorena Bobbit moment?
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Whether he deserves it or not, could any man not wince in sympothetic pain for even just a second?
Hmmmm......jd
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12-13-2010, 22:21
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Originally Posted by uplink5
An enraged father who disapproved of his daughter's older boyfriend went to his home and castrated him with a bread knife.
By Allan Hall, Berlin 10:11PM GMT 12 Dec 2010 Helmut Seifert, 47, an ethnic German originally from Russia, was enraged when he heard his 17-year-old daughter was having a relationship with Phillip Genscher, 57.
He went to police in the town of Bielefeld where he lives but officers said they were powerless to intervene. "The man then recruited two work colleagues at his factory and then went to the house of the victim," said police. "The man was forced to remove his trousers and, fully conscious, he was castrated. The severed testicles were taken away by the perpetrator." The man was close to bleeding to death but managed to call police. His life was saved but he remains a eunuch for life. Seifert pleaded guilty and will be on trial for attempted murder next year. But he has remained silent on who his accomplices were. He told police: "I received a phone call anonymously that my daughter was involved with a guy 40 years older than her. You said you couldn't stop him – so I did.
"I saw it as my duty as a father."
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Having daughters, I can appreciate this scenario "some what" but, did he have it coming or, is this over the top? Is this another Lorena Bobbit moment?
and.....
Whether he deserves it or not, could any man not wince in sympothetic pain for even just a second?
Hmmmm......jd
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This should be incorporated into the "father vs. dad" discussion.
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12-13-2010, 22:33
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This should be incorporated into the "father vs. dad" discussion.
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I thought the same thing after I posted it but, I think you just did 
Otherwise,
Take Elizebeth Smart for instance. The kid grabbed by that dirt bag in Utah. Castration for that basterd wouldn't be enough. Perhaps a nice start but.....
This poor SOB in Germany?
......just damn
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12-13-2010, 22:54
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I thought the same thing after I posted it but, I think you just did
Otherwise,
Take Elizebeth Smart for instance. The kid grabbed by that dirt bag in Utah. Castration for that basterd wouldn't be enough. Perhaps a nice start but.....
This poor SOB in Germany?
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As with everything, there's always two sides to the story. I'd like to hear the back story on how the 17yo and 57yo got together in the first place. Case of teacher-student relations? Was the daughter frequenting clubs and saying she was older? 
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12-13-2010, 23:18
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As with everything, there's always two sides to the story.
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True, except in this case it’s only partially relevant, for me anyways.
If it's consensual then the 57 year old will at best be counting his blessings that he still has his balls, while he sits in prison. Even if she said she was 21, his ignorance still carries a price and a couple years in the lockup might suffice.
As enticing as a hot young babe might be to a 57 year old  , (or a 48 year old  ) I'd be damned sure of her age if there was any doubt.
At any age, self preservation from the law and fathers everywhere should always be a priority....jd
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12-13-2010, 23:31
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True, except in this case it’s only partially relevant, for me anyways.
If it's consensual then the 57 year old will at best be counting his blessings that he still has his balls, while he sits in prison. Even if she said she was 21, his ignorance still carries a price and a couple years in the lockup might suffice.
As enticing as a hot young babe might be to a 57 year old , (or a 48 year old ) I'd be damned sure of her age if there was any doubt.
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Too bad he doesn't have his balls anymore. I'm not sure what the laws are over there on concenting age, but I think the legal drinking age over there is 16? If I was in the fathers shoes, I'm not sure what I would do. It would be very tempting to handle it myself, but there are laws that I and the vast majority of you on here fought to protect. I would hope I could remain calm enough to let justice do it's job.
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12-13-2010, 23:34
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12-13-2010, 23:42
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True, except in this case it’s only partially relevant, for me anyways.
If it's consensual then the 57 year old will at best be counting his blessings that he still has his balls, while he sits in prison. Even if she said she was 21, his ignorance still carries a price and a couple years in the lockup might suffice.
As enticing as a hot young babe might be to a 57 year old , (or a 48 year old ) I'd be damned sure of her age if there was any doubt.
At any age, self preservation from the law and fathers everywhere should always be a priority....jd |
Looking at the entire story would determine the appropriate level of punishment. Not that it's "right" for them to be together, it might have been legal and consensual. I'm not sure of the local laws on that. That being said, I would not want to be in the father's shoes, especially if something hokey was going on and authorities refused to do anything. 
Regardless of the circumstances, while vigilantism might not be right ... I understand where the father is coming from.
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12-14-2010, 00:28
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Seifert pleaded guilty and will be on trial for attempted murder next year.... He told police: "I received a phone call anonymously that my daughter was involved with a guy 40 years older than her. You said you couldn't stop him – so I did.
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Attempted murder!?! Isn’t that a little harsh?
I suppose he could have applied a cautery. And after all, it was only a 40 year age difference…
I’m going with the father on this one, pending Mr. Halsey’s opinion of the instrument used.
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12-14-2010, 01:06
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If I had a 17 year old daughter I wouldn't want her getting involved with a 57 year old man, but legally he didn't do anything wrong because the age of consent in Germany is only 14. In other European countries it's even lower. I'm not sure about castration but if I were her father I would sure have given him a good ass kicking.
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12-14-2010, 03:33
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12-14-2010, 05:18
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If I had a 17 year old daughter I wouldn't want her getting involved with a 57 year old man, but legally he didn't do anything wrong because the age of consent in Germany is only 14. In other European countries it's even lower. I'm not sure about castration but if I were her father I would sure give him a good ass kicking.
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That sounds about right; however, even though the object lesson was applied differently in this case, I bet the 57 year old still managed to learn something.
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12-14-2010, 05:34
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I’ve always called those guys Teammates!
Bottom line was Daddy was wrong! He may not have liked what his daughter was doing but at 17 (in Germany) she can do what she pleases and what she pleases comes from what she learned at home...from Daddy!
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12-14-2010, 07:44
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I hope the bread knife was one of the serrated types where you saw on things instead of slice. That would give the guy plenty of time to ponder the gravity of the situation.
So much of the world is dependent upon other people to fix their problems that it is refreshing to see a guy fix it himself.
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