11-18-2010, 12:56
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Teach a man to fish so he may eat for the rest of his life.
A man comes to a fisherman because he and his family are hungry. He sees the fisherman eating some very tasty fish and asks "How did you catch those fish? They are so fast I can never catch them. Could you please spare some fish Sir? The fisherman says "I will spare you some fish and come and see me tomorrow and I will teach you how to catch fish." The man thanks the fisherman, goes home and shares the fish with his family. He even returned the next day and learns how to catch fish for himself. The man and the fisherman become friends.
- Let's analyze this story. The fisherman shares his fish with the man, teaches him how fish for himself and they become buddies. VERY UNWISE. To the man the fisherman is of much worth. the fisherman has food and knowledge of how to get food. The man has none. Now the man has food and knowledge of how to get food. What value is the fisherman to the man now? The only thing of value between them is friendship. Which is not of much value at all. If it were to come down to which family is going to eat that night because the supply of fish is low. How long will the friendship last. Now we have to men with equal power. Here is my philosophy on this parable.-
A man comes to a fisherman because he and his family are hungry. He sees the fisherman eating some very tasty fish and asks "How did you catch those fish? They are so fast I can never catch them." The fisherman sees the value in this man and decides to make an investment. The fisherman says "These fish are indeed very difficult to catch. I get up early in the morning and and stay out on the sea a long time. Here take some for you and your family." "thank your sir you are very generous."
The next day the man comes back and asks the fisherman for more fish. The fisherman says "If you want more of my fish you will have to do something for me. Every evening when I comes to shore I want you to clean my boat and fishing equipment. Once this is done to my standard I will give you three pieces of fish." The man agrees and promptly started to clean the fisherman's boat.
-This is much better. The fisherman is superior and has more power than this man. Why would the fisherman give away power by teaching the man how to fish? The fisherman simply catches the fish for the man in exchange for his labor. This keeps the superior fisherman in a position of power and the man in a state of dependence. The man has to depend on the fisherman to eat. So the man will want to stay in the fisherman's good graces and he is far less likely to betray the fisherman. So don't teach a the man to fish. Catch the fish for him then sell it to him for a hefty price.-
That was some philosophia de Decoy_Octopus, 21st century philosopher.
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11-18-2010, 13:04
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You're not going to travel too far in your career. It might possibly be with an SF tab...but I doubt it with that attitude.
Maintain your feeling of superiority...it masks your insecurity quite well.
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11-18-2010, 13:09
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You're not going to travel too far in your career. It might possibly be with an SF tab...but I doubt it with that attitude.
Maintain your feeling of superiority...it masks your insecurity quite well.
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Pardon me Sir but this is about security rather than superiority.
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11-18-2010, 13:09
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Nah, screw it...I've had a bad day
So you're the future of my beloved regiment?
Let me unload some "philosophy de YOU'RE AN IDIOT."
I hope you carry this same attitude into your first team room. I suspect you'll get more than your "overvalued" sense of self worth handed to you.
As an SF Candidate, I would have thought you would have learned a little bit about being situationally aware....I guess not.
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11-18-2010, 13:12
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Pardon me Sir but this is about security rather than superiority.
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What are you scared of? What security are you worrying about? Eventually, old age will come, the body will weaken, and unable to feed himself, or train a successor, the entire village will suffer.
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11-18-2010, 13:25
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Interdependence and training your successor are much more powerful than the despotism you espouse. I believe you need to read a little more philosophy in order to understand the fallacy you spouted - almost directly from Machiavelli (The Prince) and Marx/Englels (Dictatorship of the Proletariat). Maybe you should be also reading some of Aaron Bank's essays, some Nick Rowe, maybe Jefferson, Kant, and John Stuart Mill....
Think about it.
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11-18-2010, 13:27
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And another thing...because now I'm irritated...what about this post of yours?
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...8&postcount=17
That wasn't even 30 days ago.
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11-18-2010, 13:29
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What are you scared of? What security are you worrying about? Eventually, old age will come, the body will weaken, and unable to feed himself, or train a successor, the entire village will suffer.
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Ingratitude. When people realize that they don't need you anymore, they forget what you did to help them. You may have their faint friendship but you don't have their loyalty. On the contrary when they depend on you have their loyalty.
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11-18-2010, 13:33
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That was a matter of Sf and military. I asked a foolish question. This post is just my philosophical view on the parable.
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11-18-2010, 13:37
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Interdependence and training your successor are much more powerful than the despotism you espouse. I believe you need to read a little more philosophy in order to understand the fallacy you spouted - almost directly from Machiavelli (The Prince) and Marx/Englels (Dictatorship of the Proletariat). Maybe you should be also reading some of Aaron Bank's essays, some Nick Rowe, maybe Jefferson, Kant, and John Stuart Mill....
Think about it.
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As a successor I would choose a competent member of the family or a loyal member of the town. Not some strange beggar I just met.
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11-18-2010, 13:47
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Brother, why did you have to bring me back into this? But since you have, thanks, now he has my attention as well.
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11-18-2010, 13:47
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Ingratitude. When people realize that they don't need you anymore, they forget what you did to help them. You may have their faint friendship but you don't have their loyalty. On the contrary when they depend on you have their loyalty.
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I'll stick with my original statement.
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You're not going to travel too far in your career. It might possibly be with an SF tab...but I doubt it with that attitude.
Maintain your feeling of superiority...it masks your insecurity quite well.
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I'll enjoy watching your progress in Feb 2011.
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11-18-2010, 13:49
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Brother, why did you have to bring me back into this? But since you have, thanks, now he has my attention as well.
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Sorry, I was having a bad day and I let his arrogance and delusions of granduer get under my skin.
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Obviously you've never encountered the resentment that eventually builds up in EVERY dependant relationship. Methinks you are going to have a very difficult time learning to be an SF Soldier. Our job (SF) is to work ourselves out of a job; sort of like the idealized parents work to ENABLE their children. It's not about you; it's about them and how you've influenced them to relate to you (the USA) in the future.
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11-18-2010, 13:55
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Our job (SF) is to work ourselves out of a job; ...It's not about you; it's about them and how you've influenced them to relate to you (the USA) in the future.
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Very well said.
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