More Kalifornia douchebaggery

[rdret1]

http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2010/11/...7081289511876/

Talk about PC run amok! I understand Kalifornia if full of fruits and nuts, but they are also totally bereft of common sense, intestinal fortitude and a basic sense of themselves as AMERICANS! They became Americans after the Mexican-American War in 1846-1848. We bought that entire area for $15M. Maybe after we captured Mexico City, we should have just kept the whole thing. I bet they don't teach this in the Kalifornia school system.

[dennisw]

We must not offend the Hispanic Kids. Nothing to be gained there.

It's a sad day indeed for Californians. I guess I'll just mosey on down the road.

[mojaveman]

Ridiculous.

The Julios (Hoo-lee-oos, slang for a Mexican person in SOCAL) are definately taking over. There are areas in Southern California where the hispanic population won't even try to speak English to you.

[Sigaba]

IMO, this story reminds me of the one discussed earlier this year <<LINK>>.

Originally Posted by rdret1

They became Americans after the Mexican-American War in 1846-1848. We bought that entire area for $15M. Maybe after we captured Mexico City, we should have just kept the whole thing. I bet they don't teach this in the Kalifornia school system.

With respect, RD, the Mexican American War received significant attention at the crown jewel of the University of California system. There, as well as at the crown jewel of the University of Texas system, students learn that the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848) was not the swan song of nineteenth century diplomatic history.

Article IX of that treaty qualified and constrained the nature of the citizenship erstwhile Mexican nationals were to receive in their new homeland as mandated by Article VIII. Article IX reads:

The Mexicans who, in the territories aforesaid, shall not preserve the character of citizens of the Mexican Republic, conformably with what is stipulated in the preceding article, shall be incorporated into the Union of the United States. and be admitted at the proper time (to be judged of by the Congress of the United States) to the enjoyment of all the rights of citizens of the United States, according to the principles of the Constitution; and in the mean time, shall be maintained and protected in the free enjoyment of their liberty and property, and secured in the free exercise of their religion without restriction.*

In other words, they were not allowed to exercise fully their rights under the first amendment, and would receive other rights when a political body saw fit.

So, that document not only sent United States on the slow dance to the Civil War, it also set the stage for the systematic mistreatment of American citizens because of their ethnicity <<LINK>>, and it perpetuates the debatable notion that it is inappropriate for Americans to have different views of our past.

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* Source is here.

[incarcerated]

Welcome to Kalifornia.
The potential hate-crime:

[Guy]

I've flown the US flag in some foreign places; I'll be damned-to-hell! If someone will tell me, I can't fly the US flag in my home country.

Stay safe.

[Richard]

I grew up in NorCal and we were certainly taught the history of the pre-Republic and its eventual statehood. My mother's family settled in California when it was a Republic as did my father's in Texas when it, too, was a Republic. I grew up in one former Republic and now reside in the other.

As far as this incident goes, it is fair to say that not all school administrators are competent and they often make less well thought out mistakes with unintended consequences in their attempts to avoid conflict or the perception of unfairness, and then creating that of which they were trying to avoid. Additionally, they just as often either do not explain themselves very well or their actions are not entirely explained correctly in the news media or by organizations and individuals challenging a decision.

That being said, having the kid take his flag off of his bike and securing it safely to prevent its theft or such during the school day is not necessarily an anti-American request.

And so it goes...

Richard's $.02

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by Richard

I grew up in NorCal and we were certainly taught the history of the pre-Republic and its eventual statehood. My mother's family settled in California when it was a Republic as did my father's in Texas when it, too, was a Republic. I grew up in one former Republic and now reside in the other.

As far as this incident goes, it is fair to say that not all school administrators are competent and they often make less well thought out mistakes with unintended consequences in their attempts to avoid conflict or the perception of unfairness, and then creating that of which they were trying to avoid. Additionally, they just as often either do not explain themselves very well or their actions are not entirely explained correctly in the news media or by organizations and individuals challenging a decision.

That being said, having the kid take his flag off of his bike and securing it safely to prevent its theft or such during the school day is not necessarily an anti-American request.
And so it goes...

Richard's $.02

Agree it would only have played better if they made the following type of statement:

"We support the flying of the U.S. Flag and the patrisium that Cody Alicea is trying to display. We have asked him to secure the flag while at school to keep it from being desecrated or stolen"

We all know School officials are not hired for being Public Speakers or PR experts...........

Just my 2 cents

[Pete]

Once again a story about "somebody might be offended."

But once again who is "somebody"?

If the school policy is nothing is to be worn, displayed or carried that might offend someone else then fine - so be it.

But schools seem to have no problem with "Gay Days" but have a big problem with "Straight Days" - somebody might be offended.

It would seem to me that all the "offended" folks need to grow up - Big deal so you're offended - I'm offended that you're offended and if you're offended that I'm offended because you're offended - well stuff it.

[PedOncoDoc]

Originally Posted by Pete

Once again a story about "somebody might be offended."

But once again who is "somebody"?

If the school policy is nothing is to be worn, displayed or carried that might offend someone else then fine - so be it.

But schools seem to have no problem with "Gay Days" but have a big problem with "Straight Days" - somebody might be offended.

It would seem to me that all the "offended" folks need to grow up - Big deal so you're offended - I'm offended that you're offended and if you're offended that I'm offended because you're offended - well stuff it.

The same idiotic logic could be applied to speaking Enlgish (or Spanish) at school, and then those who wear clothes will offend the nudists....where the hell does it end?

Everyone will be home schooled and never learn to respect and deal with opinions, lifestyles, etc. that are different from their own.

I've decided to keep my kids in public school so they can learn those very lessons. I hope I won't have to pull them out because their freedom and education are comporomised by this idiocy.

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by Pete

Once again a story about "somebody might be offended."

But once again who is "somebody"?

If the school policy is nothing is to be worn, displayed or carried that might offend someone else then fine - so be it.

But schools seem to have no problem with "Gay Days" but have a big problem with "Straight Days" - somebody might be offended.

It would seem to me that all the "offended" folks need to grow up - Big deal so you're offended - I'm offended that you're offended and if you're offended that I'm offended because you're offended - well stuff it.

I'm offended,because your offended!!!!...........

[Peregrino]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

IMO, this story reminds me of the one discussed earlier this year <<LINK>>.
With respect, RD, the Mexican American War received significant attention at the crown jewel of the University of California system. There, as well as at the crown jewel of the University of Texas system, students learn that the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848) was not the swan song of nineteenth century diplomatic history.

Article IX of that treaty qualified and constrained the nature of the citizenship erstwhile Mexican nationals were to receive in their new homeland as mandated by Article VIII. Article IX reads:In other words, they were not allowed to exercise fully their rights under the first amendment, and would receive other rights when a political body saw fit.

So, that document not only sent United States on the slow dance to the Civil War, it also set the stage for the systematic mistreatment of American citizens because of their ethnicity <<LINK>>, and it perpetuates the debatable notion that it is inappropriate for Americans to have different views of our past.

_______________________________________________
* Source is here.

I don't understand the point of your contention. IIRC the territories in question were administered as Territories; some of them into the early part of the 20th Century. Even the Anglos residing there had restrictions on their rights until a "political body say fit" to admit them into Statehood.

[Nightfall]

The Local News Broadcast:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEJzNpvoJAc

I glad someone beat me to the punch posting this. I'm also a member of cavalryscouts.org and one of the Scouts is in the town where this happened and is taking up a collection for both the kid's DC trip as well as old unit patches, challenge coins, and things of a patriotic nature in support of him. Not so much as a protest but showing that at least his local Vets and some of internet Vets are with him. If any of you guys are interested in this endeavor PM me and as soon as I get the details where to send the stuff, I'll let you know. This kind of stuff angers me to no end. When I was in school, we said the pledge, then stood at attention for the playing of the anthem. I'm sonfused where we got off track...

[rdret1]

Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc

Everyone will be home schooled and never learn to respect and deal with opinions, lifestyles, etc. that are different from their own.

I've decided to keep my kids in public school so they can learn those very lessons. I hope I won't have to pull them out because their freedom and education are comporomised by this idiocy.

On the contrary, most kids that are home schooled are more acclimated to the cultures of others, not less. The majority of home school parents I have met take an extra effort in teaching their children a foreign language, taking them to cultural displays and events at the local museums and cultural centers and teaching them to be active in the community.

OTOH, in public schools, children face a higher incidence of peer pressure, "learning" what to think and how to think from other children their age without the guidance of an adult. Sure the teachers are there, but they are concerned with their specific class and teaching them what is required by the Board of Education. For public school children with parents who are active participants in their education, "peer" education has a lesser but still visible effect. Ask any teacher what the percentage of actively participating parents is and I am sure you will be surprised at how low it is, especially among minority parents. "Peer" education is much more prevalent today than it was 32 years ago or so. Active partents then were much more common than they are today. I see many parents who send their kids off to school, where they have no direct influence; they come home and the kid watches TV in their own room, where the parent(s) have no direct influence; that is assuming the parent(s) are there at all; or letting the kids go off with their friends after school, again where the parent(s) have no direct influence and "peer" education is at its highest point.

We do home school our son for many reasons. Because of this, I feel he is well ahead of where he would be if he were in a public school.

[PedOncoDoc]

Originally Posted by rdret1

On the contrary, most kids that are home schooled are more acclimated to the cultures of others, not less. The majority of home school parents I have met take an extra effort in teaching their children a foreign language, taking them to cultural displays and events at the local museums and cultural centers and teaching them to be active in the community.

OTOH, in public schools, children face a higher incidence of peer pressure, "learning" what to think and how to think from other children their age without the guidance of an adult. Sure the teachers are there, but they are concerned with their specific class and teaching them what is required by the Board of Education. For public school children with parents who are active participants in their education, "peer" education has a lesser but still visible effect. Ask any teacher what the percentage of actively participating parents is and I am sure you will be surprised at how low it is, especially among minority parents. "Peer" education is much more prevalent today than it was 32 years ago or so. Active partents then were much more common than they are today. I see many parents who send their kids off to school, where they have no direct influence; they come home and the kid watches TV in their own room, where the parent(s) have no direct influence; that is assuming the parent(s) are there at all; or letting the kids go off with their friends after school, again where the parent(s) have no direct influence and "peer" education is at its highest point.

We do home school our son for many reasons. Because of this, I feel he is well ahead of where he would be if he were in a public school.

Well stated points. I never stated that homeschooled children do not learn about culture. Learning about culture and being immersed in a culture are 2 different things as I am sure you are aware. I know many children who are home schooled through my profession - most of them are ahead of the curve on academia and are really good kids, but I still feel a lot of important social lessons are learned through interactions with the diverse population at a public school.

I agree that a large percentage of families unfortunately don't take an active role in their childrens' education at public schools - this, by definition, cannot happen with home schooling (from my limited knowledge base on the subject.)

I am not anti-home schooling, for the record.

My $0.02, YMMV....