Even if you live off post.

bluebb · 10-02-2010, 20:13

Fort Hood soldiers told to list private weapons
Base requires make, model, serial number and who owns them

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=209557

Blue

**Eagle5US** · 10-02-2010, 20:26

It has been this way for as long as I can remember, at every post I have been stationed on and lived off post....so from '84 forward.

That being said, I have never been stationed on Hood so maybe it is new there.

Eagle

**The Reaper** · 10-02-2010, 20:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluebb

Fort Hood soldiers told to list private weapons
Base requires make, model, serial number and who owns them

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=209557

Blue

I believe this to be an unlawful order.

TR

**Eagle5US** · 10-02-2010, 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I believe this to be an unlawful order.

TR

LOL...
Once I got tired of going through the whole serial number registration forms and format crap...I tried saying that exact thing when I inprocessed at Drum, PACOM, Lewis, Leonard Wood, and here Bliss.
Only at Bliss...Suddenly I was locked in a little room with 4 DOD Security folks waiting on the MP's to arrive and read me the post commander's policy on handgun ownership and registration for off post personnel.

2 hours later they "let me go" after telling me that I was lucky I didn't get cited for "being disruptive"

Go figure...ME! DISRUPTIVE! Me thinks not.

Eagle

Angry Mike · 10-02-2010, 20:41

Interesting turn of events.

I wonder if this has been brought to the attention of the General Counsel at OSD?

Secondly, NRA members should bring this to the attention of the NRA as they usually correspond rapidly over actions like this.

On our last post, the PMO tried to make all soldiers and civilians register all weapons individually owned. This was brought up the VA State Attorney General, and we quickly stomped in the mud. The PMO's authority ends at the gate. The Garrison CDR has to work with the local and state governments also.

I wonder where the FT Hood authority stops? Seeing as TX law provides an incredible amount of permission for CCW holders, how does that conflict with the FHTX post regulations? Heck, with a TX CCW, you can enter the state capital without going through a metal detector.

Interesting turn o f events.

MT

bluebb · 10-02-2010, 20:41

On post I get it...Off post I don't.

When we assumed the Soldier, we did not lay aside the Citizen.
George Washington

Blue

**Eagle5US** · 10-02-2010, 20:57

We have had 2 active shooter incidents here on Bliss in the last 18 months. Not counting three individuals I have passively disarmed in my Emergency Department (1 VA Beneficiary and two soldiers all presenting for psych stuff and had handguns either on their person or in their back-packs). Others here have encountered similar situations secondary to the VERY large latin gang influence now in El Paso who also work as "muscle" across the border in Juarez. Yes - soldiers included.

I have brought up to multiple flag officers at the open forum active shooter plan of action discussions that we should consider allowing persons with CC permits to carry on post. Never is this taken seriously or even considered.

Last week I was charged with assault by the PMO when I stepped in and took down a Latin Gang member who was beating the living shit out of my 73 year old DOD Police officer who was posted in my ER to "protect the Emergency Department Staff". Once on the ground, I secured said gang member with the cops cuffs. The hospital attorney reviewed the tapes and got the charges dropped (and the DOD Cop moved to the information desk)...but the point was that I (as a provider in the ED) was even put in that position in order to protect my staff. What if Latin gang guy would have gotten the cops gun? What then? I yell "code WHITE" over the intercom and what...that's going to make him stop?

After THAT incident, I asked if we could at least have a tazer at the nurses station...again, the answer was no.

What MORE as to happen before someone takes the fact seriously that the best person to protect me...is ME. Was the Hood shooter not enough? VA Tech? Tacoma Mall? Austin Library? One responsible handgun owner would have shut that thing down. TEN responsible handgun owners would have shut it down even faster.

Sorry - rant off....but damn. This really gets me worked up.

Eagle

bluebb · 10-02-2010, 21:42

If the local community outside the post issues a ccw permit then how hard would it be to issue them for the post.

Active and retired military members should be trusted just like civilians.

The good guys will never win with both hands tied behind our backs.

Blue

lksteve · 10-02-2010, 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I believe this to be an unlawful order.

I concur. I have never been ordered to list weapons I kept off post. Heck, I never remember registering my weapons on post at either Benning and Wainwright. When I was at Devens, I left my guns with my folks.

Utah Bob · 10-02-2010, 22:19

Seems to me I heard something like this last year (before Hasan) when a company commander at some post directed his people to do the same. I can't recall the location though.
The order was countermanded by higher ups pretty quick after it hit the papers.

EDIT.

Found it! It was Ft Campbell in 2009.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/soldiers-private-guns/

Richard · 10-03-2010, 04:59

I agree with TR.

However, back at Bragg in the early 70's we had to list what and with whom if we lived in the barracks and somebody off post kept such items for us; the list was only for use by an SAO doing an inventory of a deceased SM's property.

Richard

rdret1 · 10-03-2010, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagle5US

We have had 2 active shooter incidents here on Bliss in the last 18 months. Not counting three individuals I have passively disarmed in my Emergency Department (1 VA Beneficiary and two soldiers all presenting for psych stuff and had handguns either on their person or in their back-packs). Others here have encountered similar situations secondary to the VERY large latin gang influence now in El Paso who also work as "muscle" across the border in Juarez. Yes - soldiers included.

I have brought up to multiple flag officers at the open forum active shooter plan of action discussions that we should consider allowing persons with CC permits to carry on post. Never is this taken seriously or even considered.

Last week I was charged with assault by the PMO when I stepped in and took down a Latin Gang member who was beating the living shit out of my 73 year old DOD Police officer who was posted in my ER to "protect the Emergency Department Staff". Once on the ground, I secured said gang member with the cops cuffs. The hospital attorney reviewed the tapes and got the charges dropped (and the DOD Cop moved to the information desk)...but the point was that I (as a provider in the ED) was even put in that position in order to protect my staff. What if Latin gang guy would have gotten the cops gun? What then? I yell "code WHITE" over the intercom and what...that's going to make him stop?

After THAT incident, I asked if we could at least have a tazer at the nurses station...again, the answer was no.

What MORE as to happen before someone takes the fact seriously that the best person to protect me...is ME. Was the Hood shooter not enough? VA Tech? Tacoma Mall? Austin Library? One responsible handgun owner would have shut that thing down. TEN responsible handgun owners would have shut it down even faster.

Sorry - rant off....but damn. This really gets me worked up.

Eagle

It sounds like your PMO needs a common sense check. The only place I had to register my weapons was Devens where we lived on Davao Cir. Our front door was accidentally left unlocked when we were gone for the weekend once. MP's cleared the house and found my weapons and some ammo, including several boxes of 5.56. They inventoried everything and left a copy in my apartment. I went to the Provost Marshal and got everything back without a problem, including the 5.56.

RichL025 · 10-03-2010, 19:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagle5US

It has been this way for as long as I can remember, at every post I have been stationed on and lived off post....so from '84 forward.

That being said, I have never been stationed on Hood so maybe it is new there.

Eagle

I have never been to a post that required soldiers living off-post to register their weapons.

I am on Ft Lewis currently. Such a message came out a few weeks ago. Apparently, I was not the only one who thought it was unreasonable, since less than 3 hours later an email came out specifying that it did NOT apply to soldiers living off-post who did not anticipate taking their weapons on post (ie, range, hunting etc).

We'll see how long this lasts.

Active duty soldiers forbidden to own private weapons. Forbidden to drive motorcycles. Forbidden to sky-dive, or to partake in any other activity deemed "risky".

Any of this could happen.

alright4u · 10-03-2010, 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluebb

On post I get it...Off post I don't.

When we assumed the Soldier, we did not lay aside the Citizen.
George Washington

Blue

Off post is not under military law. The order is unlawful. Now, the local police can require one to register all new firearm purchases if it is state law.

**PRB** · 10-03-2010, 22:19

Remember the zero defects army?
Commanders adverse to any risk whatsoever.
ART15's for breaking the seal on the reaction ammo cans.
Finally, OCONUS Astan/Iraq, soldiers keep their weapons/ammo at all times. How many years did warrior Officers/NCO's ask higher for this very thing...train as you fight maybe.
You'd think soldiers, of any rank, would understand that only criminals need disarming, not the general population....nope.
When I go on post I carry and take the risk, it's that or throw the gun in the weeds as you take a chance of a vehicle search, better to keep it on you.
Against the law, yes...I'll chance it.