Mexican Gangs Maintain Permanent Lookout Bases in Hills of Arizona

[dr. mabuse]

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[Ambush Master]

Bring on the Predator Drones!!!!!

[PSM]

A Marine sniper I know went through the Tracking School at Ft. Huachuca a couple of years ago and they found a lot of evidence of drug smuggling across the fort.

They found bivouac sites, with broken light bulbs that the instructor said was used to carry the meth they needed to give them the strength to carry the heavy loads the distance needed, and they listened in on their OP conversations on the radio.

Perhaps reconstituting the Buffalo Soldiers to patrol the border again would take the "racial element" out of the argument.

Pat

[dr. mabuse]

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[Streck-Fu]

Prohibition drives the trade.....end drug prohibition.

[craigepo]

I find this story more than a little disconcerting.

Might be time to break out a Governor from yesteryear, one with enough sand to send troops into the area.

[dr. mabuse]

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[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by dr. mabuse

As a therapist that has dealt with drug burdened and damaged patients for a little while ( 20 years), that's absolute nonsense IMPO. The addiction mechanism has nothing whatsoever to do in any way with the laws on the books. Removing the laws does nothing to cure the initial need of a self-esteem-damaged patient that seeks drugs to compensate in the first place.

Believe it or not, some people stay away from certain activities because of the possible penalties, but what do I know?

I think I smell the fumes of some Libertarian crack-pipe dreams here, but I certainly could be wrong.

Ooops. I'm hijacking my own thread.

This may sound heartless, but their addiction is their problem.

When we engage in a war on drugs, money is taken from people who don't use drugs and is used in a de facto bidding war against those who do use drugs.
That bidding war drives up the price to where it's worth the risk for some to invade the USA and commit any degree of violence in order to sell their product.

If someone wants to risk addiction, they should pay the consequences.
Why should my money be taken and used to drive up profits for criminals who invade my state?

Plenty of alcohol addicts out there.
Prohibition of alcohol didn't work.

[Defender968]

Originally Posted by craigepo

I find this story more than a little disconcerting.

Might be time to break out a Governor from yesteryear, one with enough sand to send troops into the area.

As do I especially when viewed in concert with the report that in the past month a plan by Los Zetas to destroy a dam in Texas was foiled, We have 2 reports that amount to acts of war IMO in less than a month....and what are we doing about it....best I can tell the Feds are too busy filing Law suits against Arizona to actually do anything. IMO we're beyond a LE matter at this point. Were I the Gov's of Arizona or TX I'd mobilize the guard, and send them to the border with live ammo, time to stop playing nice and recognize this for the threat that it is.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by dr. mabuse

As a therapist that has dealt with drug burdened and damaged patients for a little while ( 20 years), that's absolute nonsense IMPO. The addiction mechanism has nothing whatsoever to do in any way with the laws on the books. Removing the laws does nothing to cure the initial need of a self-esteem-damaged patient that seeks drugs to compensate in the first place.

Believe it or not, some people stay away from certain activities because of the possible penalties, but what do I know?

I think I smell the fumes of some Libertarian crack-pipe dreams here, but I certainly could be wrong.

Ooops. I'm hijacking my own thread.

Drug users are going to use whether drugs are illegal or not. The reason to legalize is to take the production and distribution business away from criminals, thereby reducing associated violence etc. It also would facilitate some regulation and taxation of the trade.

There is no reason why you can't try to reduce demand in a legalized regime.

[CombatMuffin]

I felt compelled to contribute on this particular issue, as it also affects my country(Mexico):

Its an incredible shame that drug cartels are allowed to operate with such impunity on both sides of the border, and the main reason, in my humble opinion, is corruption on both sides.

It is absolutely clear to me that the government in Mexico is by far more tainted by corruption than it is in the United States, but as it is human nature to be corruptible, it would be nonsense to believe there is no corruption there either(whether it be a particular authority, or common citizens providing clandestine support).

That's where I wish to make my point: Legalizing drugs would damage the cartels' operations to some degree, since their real source of power can be considered to be their money, and not necessarily ideologies or other similar factors. I am still however, morally against the legalization of drugs, since it has social consequences I would not be willing to risk.

Here in Mexico, we see a lot of idleness from the government. Sure, they have increased the military's efforts to hamper their operations, and made some progress on some fronts, but they are very, very far away from controlling the situation. I don't think its from lack of resources, but anyone who has lived here for a certain period of years learns to distrust the authorities because they themselves, may be tied with the cartels.

[SMP9168]

I have never heard of anyone getting drunk off a bottle of booze and cutting off their own babie's head, then shoving the body in a trash can because they thought the baby was possessed by a demon. The same cannot be said of other drugs (we're not talking weed, here).

Just saying

[ZonieDiver]

I am not sure about Texas, but AZ is broke. But that we could afford to send the NG!

The police chief of Puerto Penasco, Sonora (Rocky Point) was ambushed in town on Sat. along with his bodyguard. Neither killed, despite numerous AK rounds. There have been several shootings between the border (Lukeville, AZ/ Sonoyta, Sonora) and Rocky Point. Mexican and Arizonan business interests want to - and do - downplay this. Thousands of Arizonans vacation in RP weekly.

My sister is there now with friends. I refused to go.

This is out of control. So far, the only ones doing anything about it are some overweight Neo-Nazis!

[mojaveman]

This is out of control. So far, the only ones doing anything about it are some overweight Neo-Nazis![/QUOTE]

That's some drama I'd like to see...

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by mojaveman

This is out of control. So far, the only ones doing anything about it are some overweight Neo-Nazis!

That's some drama I'd like to see...[/QUOTE]

Here you go:

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bas...atrol_in_v.php