05-27-2010, 07:57
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'DADT' Debate Heats Up
'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Debate Heats Up - Are there enough votes to repeal the controversial policy? Congress Could Vote to Repeal 'Don't Ask Don't Tell' Policy This Week.
http://abcnews.go.com/politics/topline
And so it goes...
Richard 
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05-27-2010, 08:16
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I just don't get it. Of all the challenges facing our country in general and our military in particular, why continue to irritate this politically sensitive issue? I thought there was supposed to be a report from the military by the end of the year about proposed changes. Now Congress wants to preempt the military and "just do it."
Is getting re-elected just so much more important to them than doing right by the military in particular and our Country in general? I know my answer, I just say it "out loud" it out of profound frustration.
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05-27-2010, 21:18
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And so it goes...
Richard's $.02
House Approves Repeal Of Gay Ban In Military
The House on Thursday delivered a victory to President Barack Obama and gay rights groups by approving a proposal to repeal the law that allows gays to serve in the military only if they don't disclose their sexual orientation.
The 234-194 vote to overturn the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy reflected a view among many in Congress that America was ready for a military in which gays and straights can stand side by side in the trenches.
(cont'd) http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100528/..._gays_military
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05-27-2010, 21:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
. . . America was ready for a military in which gays and straights can stand side by side in the trenches.[/I]
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I guess I'm okay with "side by side" but I don't know about "front to rear".
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05-27-2010, 22:42
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SOBs make me sick!
Especially when they compare gays to minorities. 
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05-28-2010, 02:05
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Especially when they compare gays to minorities. |
Come on, Guy.
You know being black is a lifestyle choice.
You learned it growing up.
One day in Junior High, wham, you just felt different! 
TR
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05-28-2010, 04:11
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Standards?
So? Which side of AR 670-1 will gay guys have to follow - the Male or Female rules?
Coming to a court near you soon.
Gay couple drawing BAQ?
Coming to a court near you soon.
When you think it's over - Naw, it's just the beging.
Everything starts with a compromise.
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05-28-2010, 04:11
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LOL!
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
Come on, Guy.
You know being black is a lifestyle choice.
You learned it growing up.
One day in Junior High, wham, you just felt different!
TR
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I told some folks over here...
Point to a black person...they did it right away. The funny thing is that a few folks actually looked for a black person even though I was standing right there. LMAO! 
Now...Point right now to a homo, fag, etc.
"You can't do it!"
How the hell can you even make a comparison? 
Stay safe.
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05-28-2010, 05:24
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I'm afraid to see the changes to FM 3-21.5 (former 22-5) Drill and Ceremonies over this one.
And so it goes...
Richard's $.02
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“Almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.” - Robert Heinlein
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05-28-2010, 05:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reaper
Come on, Guy.
You know being black is a lifestyle choice.
You learned it growing up.
One day in Junior High, wham, you just felt different! TR |
I remember, I DO remember!
"(Our hero, Navin, is sitting at the bottom of a staircase, looking like a bum.)
Navin Huh? I am not a bum, I'm a jerk. I once had wealth, power, and the love of a beautiful woman. Now I only have two things. My friends and... uh... my thermos. Huh? My story? O.k. It was never for easy for me. I was born a poor black child. I remember the days sitting on the porch with my family singing and dancing, down in Mississippi. . . ."
Mother Feeling different again, huh?
Navin It's like I feel different. It's like I don't belong here.
Mother It's your birthday, and it's time you knew. Navin, you're not our natural born child.
Navin I'm not?
Mother You were left on our doorstep. But we raised you like you were one of us.
Navin You mean I'm going to stay this color? (Navin cries)
Mother Navin, I'd love you if you were the color of a baboons ass. (Navin and his mom hug. Taj walks in.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Vp9...eature=related
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05-29-2010, 00:29
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Just one question...
What exactly does the government plan to do when these Soldiers, Airmen, Seaman, and Marines who are homosexuals, decide they want military benefits to be granted to their spouses?
The fact is that as of now only eight U.S. states recognize gay marriages and of those eight only five grant same sex marriage licenses (Washington, D.C. does as well). Keeping that in mind how would spousal benefits work? The most definitive answer is that all states would be required to provide same sex marriage licenses. Would this happen? I highly doubt it, however it is possible.
Let's say that option isn't possible at all, what happens then? Now you have members of your military forces being discriminated against because his husband, or her wife cannot receive the benefits granted to a male/female relationship. Are they going to station all the gay service members in five states so that they will? Absolutely not, because if that happens then the straight service members will have a gripe.
If this is passed now it will be the never ending cycle that comes with most political decisions. There are many more questions, and infinitely more answers. I'm not against gay rights in any way but this isn't the time for a repeal. History proves that careful planning is essential for this type of scenario, and that without it failure is imminent. When our government can say 'Here's what going to happen, and here are the contingencies.' Then I'll jump on board. Until then I have no reason to.
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05-29-2010, 06:35
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As ‘Don’t Ask’ Fades, Military Faces Thorny Practical Issues
NYT, 28 May 2010
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Indeed, both opponents and supporters of the ban say a host of thorny practical questions will face the Pentagon if Congress gives final approval to legislation allowing the repeal of the ban, which could happen this summer.
Will openly gay service members be placed in separate housing, as the commandant of the Marine Corps has advocated? What benefits, if any, will partners or spouses of homosexual service members be accorded? Will all military units be required to treat homosexuals the same? And what training will heterosexual officers and enlisted troops receive to prepare them to serve with openly gay soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines?
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(cont'd) http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/29/us...er=rss&emc=rss
And so it goes...
Richard
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“Almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.” - Robert Heinlein
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05-29-2010, 09:25
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How many congressmen would it take to stuff the well pipe?
Two birds, one stone.
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05-29-2010, 09:27
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How many congressmen would it take to stuff the well pipe?
Two birds, one stone.
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Now we're talkin'!!! 
Richard
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“Almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.” - Robert Heinlein
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09-21-2010, 13:55
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Not this session:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39286687...hill?GT1=43001
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WASHINGTON — Senate Republicans on Tuesday blocked legislation that would have repealed the law banning gays from serving openly in the military.
The partisan vote was a defeat for Senate Democrats and gay rights advocates, who saw the bill as their last chance before November's elections to overturn the law known as "don't ask, don't tell."
With the 56-43 vote, Democrats fell short of the 60 votes needed to advance the legislation. It also would have authorized $726 billion in defense spending including a pay raise for troops....
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