View Poll Results: Have you ever heard of the practice of using a TA-312 as an interrogation tool?
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Heard it in basic.
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Heard of it later from others.
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No! Never heard of such a thing.
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08-04-2004, 16:04
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Quiet Professional
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Williamston, SC
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Ta-312
I am curious. Ever since Kerry talking about atrocities, and recently, hypocrits acting so shocked abourt wiring prisoners up to field phones - Normally, just the very threat was enough to get a response. Is therre a single person out there who has gone through bacic training who hasn't heard of this practice -- at least rumors while sitting around cleaning weapons or shining boots ( if you still do so)?
IMO the shock is truly phony. No one is hurt. Now if you plug them into a wall socket things might be different.
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08-04-2004, 23:50
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Guerrilla
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Nevada
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Cannot remember the nomenclature, but the handheld side actuated blasting machine would probably do a better job.
Used to have one. Wonder where it went, it was in the trash bin because the original pin for the actuating handle was missing. A ziptie worked fine for my purposes!
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08-05-2004, 00:34
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I kid you not, actually had a Drill Sgt in basic training use this on one of the pvt's in my platoon on our last ftx. We were doing force on force, and he was captured by the other platoon. Well the Drill wanted to know where our Drill's hootch was in our perimeter, and used it on the kid. He actually used it on his chest and teeth (cracked like 6 teeth).
The drill was reported and we didn't see him for the last week, but heard nothing was done to him once we had graduated.
I know this sound's like one of those urban legends, but I was there, and was good friends with the kid who got hooked up.
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08-05-2004, 07:26
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Guerrilla
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Another commo guy and I were running WD-1 through a culvert. A hundred yards or so seperated us and it was windy, so we agreed on some hand-arm signals to signal me when to crank it to test the connection.
Well, he elected to pinch the wires in one hand while doing something else. Some of our fellow commo guys were messing with him so he swatted at them with his hand, which looked like the signal for me to crank the -312.
He didn't receive any burns but he did get quite a jolt. The other members of the SIGDET found it hilarious since the guy was a bit of a dolt.
A few months later he went Active and had orders to go to a BN in 7th Group to their SIGDET. While inprocessing at Bragg he went out, got hammered, and acquired a DUI. He was last seen with a choking dragon patch on the side of a road on post picking up trash.
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08-05-2004, 08:39
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I don't think there is a Commo person alive...that has not been "shocked" by electricity, at one time or another.
At 17y/o, I had my first incident with the TA-312 in 1981. The NCO simply said "hold those two wires".
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08-05-2004, 12:32
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TA-312: Never saw it in OSUT (this 2nd time) and never saw it in the 18E course.
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08-05-2004, 12:38
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Perhaps the nomenclature throws you. I am speaking of the old field telephone. It was rung by cranking a handle. A demo generator works well too. This is one of the socalled "atrocities" committed at Abu Gahrib.
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Originally posted by Para
TA-312: Never saw it in OSUT (this 2nd time) and never saw it in the 18E course.
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08-05-2004, 12:45
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I am old school enough to know what a -312 is.
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08-05-2004, 15:15
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Quote:
Originally posted by Guy
[BAt 17y/o, I had my first incident with the TA-312 in 1981. The NCO simply said "hold those two wires". [/B]
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LMAO,
I had that shit done on me by my first squad leader. Ranger Shaw.
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