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I was in Country.....with at least 5 deferments
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/18/ny...gewanted=print
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May 17, 2010
Candidate’s Words on Vietnam Service Differ From History
By RAYMOND HERNANDEZ
At a ceremony honoring veterans and senior citizens who sent presents to soldiers overseas, Attorney General Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut rose and spoke of an earlier time in his life.
"We have learned something important since the days that I served in Vietnam,” Mr. Blumenthal said to the group gathered in Norwalk in March 2008. “And you exemplify it. Whatever we think about the war, whatever we call it — Afghanistan or Iraq — we owe our military men and women unconditional support.”
There was one problem: Mr. Blumenthal, a Democrat now running for the United States Senate, never served in Vietnam. He obtained at least five military deferments from 1965 to 1970 and took repeated steps that enabled him to avoid going to war, according to records.
The deferments allowed Mr. Blumenthal to complete his studies at Harvard; pursue a graduate fellowship in England; serve as a special assistant to The Washington Post’s publisher, Katharine Graham; and ultimately take a job in the Nixon White House.
In 1970, with his last deferment in jeopardy, he landed a coveted spot in the Marine Reserve, which virtually guaranteed that he would not be sent to Vietnam. He joined a unit in Washington that conducted drills and other exercises and focused on local projects, like fixing a campground and organizing a Toys for Tots drive.
Many politicians have faced questions over their decisions during the Vietnam War, and Mr. Blumenthal, who is seeking the seat being vacated by Senator Christopher J. Dodd, is not alone in staying out of the war.
But what is striking about Mr. Blumenthal’s record is the contrast between the many steps he took that allowed him to avoid Vietnam, and the misleading way he often speaks about that period of his life now, especially when he is speaking at veterans’ ceremonies or other patriotic events.
Sometimes his remarks have been plainly untrue, as in his speech to the group in Norwalk. At other times, he has used more ambiguous language, but the impression left on audiences can be similar.
In an interview on Monday, the attorney general said that he had misspoken about his service during the Norwalk event and might have misspoken on other occasions. “My intention has always been to be completely clear and accurate and straightforward, out of respect to the veterans who served in Vietnam,” he said.
But an examination of his remarks at the ceremonies shows that he does not volunteer that his service never took him overseas. And he describes the hostile reaction directed at veterans coming back from Vietnam, intimating that he was among them.
In 2003, he addressed a rally in Bridgeport, where about 100 military families gathered to express support for American troops overseas. “When we returned, we saw nothing like this,” Mr. Blumenthal said. “Let us do better by this generation of men and women.”
At a 2008 ceremony in front of the Veterans War Memorial Building in Shelton, he praised the audience for paying tribute to troops fighting abroad, noting that America had not always done so.
“I served during the Vietnam era,” he said. “I remember the taunts, the insults, sometimes even physical abuse.”
Mr. Blumenthal, 64, is known as a brilliant lawyer who likes to argue cases in court and uses language with power and precision. He is also savvy about the news media and attentive to how he is portrayed in the press.
But the way he speaks about his military service has led to confusion and frequent mischaracterizations of his biography in his home state newspapers. In at least eight newspaper articles published in Connecticut from 2003 to 2009, he is described as having served in Vietnam.
The New Haven Register on July 20, 2006, described him as “a veteran of the Vietnam War,” and on April 6, 2007, said that the attorney general had “served in the Marines in Vietnam.” On May 26, 2009, The Connecticut Post, a Bridgeport newspaper that is the state’s third-largest daily, described Mr. Blumenthal as “a Vietnam veteran.” The Shelton Weekly reported on May 23, 2008, that Mr. Blumenthal “was met with applause when he spoke about his experience as a Marine sergeant in Vietnam.”
And the idea that he served in Vietnam has become such an accepted part of his public biography that when a national outlet, Slate magazine, produced a profile of Mr. Blumenthal in 2000, it said he had “enlisted in the Marines rather than duck the Vietnam draft.”
It does not appear that Mr. Blumenthal ever sought to correct those mistakes.
In the interview, he said he was not certain whether he had seen the stories or whether any steps had been taken to point out the inaccuracies.
“I don’t know if we tried to do so or not,” he said. He added that he “can’t possibly know what is reported in all” the articles that are written about him, given the large number of appearances he makes at military-style events.
He said he had tried to stick to a consistent way of describing his military experience: that he served as a member of the United State Marine Corps Reserve during the Vietnam era.
Asked about the Bridgeport rally, when he told the crowd, “When we returned, we saw nothing like this,” Mr. Blumenthal said he did not recall the event.
An aide pointed out that in a different appearance this year, Mr. Blumenthal was forthright about not having gone to war. In a Senate debate in March, he responded to a question about Iran and the use of military force by saying, “Although I did not serve in Vietnam, I have seen firsthand the effects of military action, and no one wants it to be the first resort, nor do we want to mortgage the country’s future with a deficit that is ballooning out of control.”
On a less serious matter, another flattering but untrue description of Mr. Blumenthal’s history has appeared in profiles about him. In two largely favorable profiles, the Slate article and a magazine article in The Hartford Courant in 2004 with which he cooperated, Mr. Blumenthal is described prominently as having served as captain of the swim team at Harvard. Records at the college show that he was never on the team.
Mr. Blumenthal said he did not provide the information to reporters, was unsure how it got into circulation and was “astonished” when he saw it in print.
Mr. Blumenthal has made veterans’ issues a centerpiece of his public life and his Senate campaign, but even those who have worked closely with him have gotten the misimpression that he served in Vietnam.
In an interview, Jean Risley, the chairwoman of the Connecticut Vietnam Veterans Memorial Inc., recalled listening to an emotional Mr. Blumenthal offering remarks at the dedication of the memorial. She remembered him describing the indignities that he and other veterans faced when they returned from Vietnam.
“It was a sad moment,” she recalled. “He said, ‘When we came back, we were spat on; we couldn’t wear our uniforms.’ It looked like he was sad to me when he said it.”
Ms. Risley later telephoned the reporter to say she had checked into Mr. Blumenthal’s military background and learned that he had not, in fact, served in Vietnam.
The Vietnam chapter in Mr. Blumenthal’s biography has received little attention despite his nearly three decades in Connecticut politics.
But now, after repeatedly shunning opportunities for higher office, Mr. Blumenthal is the man Democrats nationally are depending on to retain the seat they controlled for 30 years under Mr. Dodd, and he is likely to face more intense scrutiny.
After obtaining Mr. Blumenthal’s Selective Service records through a Freedom of Information Act request, The New York Times asked David Curry, a professor at the University of Missouri-St. Louis and an expert on the Vietnam draft, to examine them.
Mr. Curry said the records showed that Mr. Blumenthal had received at least five deferments. Mr. Blumenthal did not dispute that but said he did not know how many deferments he had received.
Mr. Blumenthal grew up in New York City, the son of a successful businessman who ran an import-export company.
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05-18-2010, 06:13
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As a young man, he attended Riverdale Country School in the Bronx and showed great promise, along with an ability to ingratiate himself with powerful people.
In 1963, he entered Harvard College, where he met Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who served on the faculty there and guided Mr. Blumenthal’s senior thesis on the failure of government poverty programs.
He received two student deferments during his undergraduate years there, the records show.
After graduating from Harvard in 1967, military records show, Mr. Blumenthal obtained another educational deferment and headed to Britain, where he filed stories for The Washington Post and attended Trinity College, Cambridge, on a graduate fellowship.
But in early 1968, President Lyndon B. Johnson, under pressure over criticism that wealthier young men were avoiding the draft through graduate school, abolished nearly all graduate deferments and sharply increased the number of troops sent to Southeast Asia.
That summer, Mr. Blumenthal’s draft classification changed from 2-S, an educational deferment, to 2-A, an occupational deferment — a rare exemption from military service for men who contended that it was in the “national health, safety and interest” for them to remain in their civilian jobs. At the time, he was working as a special assistant to Ms. Graham, whose son Donald he had befriended at Harvard. Half a year later, after the election of President Richard M. Nixon, Mr. Blumenthal went to work in the White House as a senior staff assistant to Mr. Moynihan, who was Nixon’s urban affairs adviser.
But at the end of that year, he became eligible for induction after he drew a low number in a draft lottery held on Dec. 1, 1969. His number was 152, and people with numbers as high as 195 could be drafted, according to the Selective Service.
Two months after the lottery, in February 1970, Mr. Blumenthal obtained a second occupational deferment, according to the records. The status of people with occupational deferments, however, was growing shakier, with the war raging and the Nixon administration increasingly uncomfortable with them.
In April 1970, Mr. Blumenthal secured a spot in the Marine Corps Reserve, which was regarded as a safe harbor for those who did not want to go to war.
“The Reserves were not being activated for Vietnam and were seen as a shelter for young privileged men,” Mr. Curry said.
But Mr. Blumenthal’s campaign manager, Mindy Myers, said Monday that any suggestion that he was ducking the war was unfounded, saying he was engaged in important work. When he worked for Ms. Graham, for example, he helped teach children in a public school in the Anacostia section of Washington, for a project she had started there.
“It’s flat wrong to imply that Richard Blumenthal’s decisions to take a Fiske Fellowship, teach inner-city schoolchildren and work in the White House for Daniel Patrick Moynihan were decisions to avoid service when in fact, while still eligible for a deferment, he chose to enlist in the Marine Corps Reserves and completed six months of service at Parris Island, S.C., and then six years of service in the Reserves.”
Mr. Blumenthal landed in the Fourth Civil Affairs Group in Washington, whose members included the well-connected in Washington. At the time, the unit was not associated with the kind of hardship of traditional fighting units, according to Marine reports from the period and interviews with about a half-dozen men who served in the unit during the Vietnam years.
In the 1970s, the unit’s members were dispatched to undertake projects like refurbishing tent decks and showers at a campground for underprivileged Washington children, as well as collecting and distributing toys and games as part of regular Toys for Tots drives.
Robert Cole, a retired lieutenant colonel who did active duty overseas in the 1950s and later joined the unit as a reservist, recalled the young men who joined the unit in the late 1960s and early 1970s. “These kids we were getting in — a lot of them were worried about the draft,” he said.
After entering Yale Law School in the fall of 1970, Mr. Blumenthal transferred to a Marine Reserve unit in New Haven, Company C of the Sixth Motor Transport Battalion, Fourth Marine Division, which conducted occasional military drills, as well as participating in Christmas toy drives for children and recycling programs in neighboring communities, according to the unit’s command reports from the time.
In 1974, Mr. Blumenthal took a position as a law clerk for Justice Harry C. Blackmun of the United States Supreme Court and transferred back to a Washington unit, where he completed his service.
Barclay Walsh, Kitty Bennett and Bonnie Kavoussi contributed reporting.
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05-18-2010, 06:16
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Saw the article.
What a poser POS.
I would work hard to defeat this guy if I were a CT resident.
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05-18-2010, 06:48
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Some gave none!
Agree 100% with you TR...he's POS, a liar and doesn't deserve to be elected dog catcher.
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05-18-2010, 07:07
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Hey - I had a 2S...until my goofing off in college caught up with me and I was drafted. Coast Guard had a 2 year waiting list for enlistment at that time.
This guy's just another effin' Word Weasel!
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05-18-2010, 07:10
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Harvard. Say no more.
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After graduating from Harvard in 1967, military records show, Mr. Blumenthal obtained another educational deferment and headed to Britain
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Where he partied with Clinton.
And perhaps inhaled.
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05-18-2010, 07:40
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Latest update on "Weasel wording"
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Report: Richard Blumenthal misled voters
A bombshell was dropped on Connecticut Senate candidate Richard Blumenthal Monday night, less than a week before the Democratic nominating convention, when the New York Times reported he has misled voters about his military record.
Blumenthal has suggested repeatedly in public settings that he served in Vietnam, despite getting five deferments between 1965 and 1970 and ultimately serving stateside in the Marine Corps Reserve, according to the Times.
The Blumenthal campaign lashed out at the Times for an “outrageous distortion” of his record but didn’t refute the thrust of the story.
"The New York Times story is an outrageous distortion of Dick Blumenthal's record of service. Unlike many of his peers, Dick Blumenthal voluntarily joined the Marine Corps Reserves in 1970 and served for six months in Parris Island, S.C., and six years in the reserves,” Blumenthal campaign manager Mindy Myers said in a statement. “He received no special treatment from anyone.”
Blumenthal planned to gather Connecticut veterans in support of his campaign Tuesday morning.
It was his remarks in front of a group of veterans and senior citizens in Norwalk, Conn., in 2008 that the Times cited most prominently.
“We have learned something important since the days that I served in Vietnam,” he said, according to the paper. “And you exemplify it. Whatever we think about the war, whatever we call it — Afghanistan or Iraq — we owe our military men and women unconditional support.”
The 64-year-old state attorney general started out as something of a dream candidate for Democrats, who were relieved when veteran Sen. Chris Dodd announced he would not seek re-election amid pressure from state party folks and public polls. But his campaign has lacked some of the luster anticipated by state Democrats.
It was not immediately clear what effect the Times’ revelation would have on Blumenthal’s candidacy, but the yet-to-be-detailed rally with veterans Tuesday suggests he wants to fight back. The state party’s nominating convention is on Saturday – an event that seemed likely to be a coronation until Monday night.
Republicans sensed opportunity immediately. Without further comment, GOP Senate hopeful Linda McMahon sent the story to her press list. She is in a multicandidate primary that also includes former Rep. Rob Simmons, who is a veteran.
"As someone who served, I respect Richard Blumenthal for wearing the uniform, but I am deeply troubled by allegations that he has misrepresented his service," Simmons said in a statement. "Too many have sacrificed too much to have their valor stolen in this way. I hope Mr. Blumenthal steps forward and forthrightly addresses the questions that have arisen about this matter."
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05-18-2010, 07:51
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The sad thing is that he'll probably get elected and be welcomed with open arms by his party. One could only hope that the Vets currently serving in the Senate, from both parties, would call on him to quit his campaign but sadly party politics seems to trump honor lately.
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05-18-2010, 07:53
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The sad thing is that he'll probably get elected and be welcomed with open arms by his party. One could only hope that the Vets currently serving in the Senate, from both parties, would call on him to quit his campaign but sadly party politics seems to trump honor lately.
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I am sure the Kerry's will have him over for cocktails......
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05-18-2010, 11:38
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He's supposed to make a statement this morning. No doubt he'll say he "misspoke".
Sorry did I say I served IN Vietnam? I meant DURING Vietnam. Just a slip of the tongue folks. Move on. Nothing to see here.
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05-18-2010, 11:43
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Coast Guard had a 2 year waiting list for enlistment at that time.
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My senior year in high school we had a disabled Vietnam vet as a motivational speaker, he was truly inspirational. He jokingly told us he thought he had it all figured out young and joined the Coast Guard to avoid infantry service. He ended up being assigned to small patrol boats on the Mekong Delta, his boat was hit by a B40 rocket in an ambush. He was shot in the act of throwing a white phosphorus grenade which burned him severely even through the water. At this point, he recalled seeing patches of his skin floating beside him and said to us , with a wink, "I was literally beside myself."
He told us about being in the burn unit at the hospital, and watching a wife abandon a horribly burned soldier saying, " what am I supposed to do with you."
The wounded soldier died a few days later. At this point he was terrified to see his own wife. She showed up, planted a big kiss on him and said "Baby I can't wait to get you home". There wasn't a dry eye in the place by the time he finished.
I never forgot him or his message, I wonder what lying turds like Blumenthal think when they come across real Vietnam vets.
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05-18-2010, 11:45
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 POS is right
What can he possibly say at his press conference ?
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05-18-2010, 11:46
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Ah, see it's the Republicans fault. Mr' Blumenthal is a man of fine character and service, the mean cheap Republicans are just smearing his honorable reputation.
No doubt President Bush is behind this
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Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee communications director Eric Schultz put the blame for the story on Republicans and, in particular, former World Wrestling Entertainment executive Linda McMahon who is running for the GOP nod.
"Its no surprise Republicans would want to smear Dick Blumenthal, considering all of the debauchery at [WWE] under Linda McMahon's watch," said Schultz.
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Seems some Democrats also had questions though, that he could stand the scrutiny of a real political race.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the...l?hpid=topnews
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05-18-2010, 11:47
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Originally Posted by Ret10Echo
I am sure the Kerry's will have him over for cocktails......
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They could be BFF'S
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05-18-2010, 12:06
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And also, WTH is this guy doing, "holding a press conference at the Veterans of Foreign War hall??? He did not serve in a foreign war, he served in South Dakota, not South Vietnam." (Quote from Rob Simmons Conn. Sen. Candidate., Foxnews live.))
Mis-spoke my ass! As a civilian who supports real Veterans, this is just disgusting!!!
Holly
P.S.....Afterlistening to this guy talk, I now know he is supporting Our wounded Veterans that are coming home from war. That is great. But it would have been greater had I not just viewd him saying on a video clip from 2008, "My Service in Vietnam......."
Seems pretty clear to me that he is hiding behind a good cause, to cover his own deciet. Could be wrong, but....
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