Muslims in NYC Planning to Build Second, Smaller Mosque Near Ground Zero

[T-Rock]

Interesting...

Muslims in NYC Planning to Build Second, Smaller Mosque Near Ground Zero

By Ed Barnes

As controversy surrounds the construction of a 13-story mosque just two blocks from Ground Zero, FOX News has learned that an effort to place a second mosque close to the hallowed site in New York City is in its advanced stages.

The Masjid Mosque has raised $8.5 million and is seeking an additional $2.5 million to begin construction. While it apparently has not settled on a final location, it has told donors it plans to build very close to where 3,000 people were killed in the September 11 terror attacks.

In fact, the website appealing for donations boldly states that it plans to “build the ‘House of Allah’ next to the World Trade Center. Help us raise the flag of ‘LA ILLAH ILLA ALLAH’ in downtown Manhattan.”

One source said he believed the planners are considering a five-story building on 23 Park Place, closer to Ground Zero than the 13-story mosque the Cordoba Initiative is planning to build.

The rest here: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/17...r-ground-zero/

[T-Rock]

Maybe, maybe not - but I'm guessing with all the publicity, the Cordoba House and the Masjid Mosque are going to be the hottest Muslim tourist sites for the devout outside of Mecca and Medina, virtual shrines commemorating their victory on 9/11.

[rdret1]

Originally Posted by Blue

So because they're Muslim, they must be commemorating "their victory" on 9/11? I'm sorry, I'm not following the logic.

It seems pretty clear to me. It would be the ultimate propaganda ploy.

[Penn]

Ok Blue, you get one pass on this passive aggressive tactic of benign observation/involvement .

This is how I feel and it in no way represents to opinion of this forum, or any member of this forum.

While in NYC today at Jean George, former Mayor Koch was having lunch across from us, as he prepared to exit, people started to clapping, someone voiced quite loudly: "Thank you Mayor for taking care of New York"!!! Obviously, a native NYC resident, as we consider New York to be NYC. Then someone mention "what’s going on down town Mayor"? "MOI" the former Mayor stated and questioned: "Down town"? Has a long way to go and its union"!
We all understood the implication...

My personal feelings about a fucking mosque at ground zero..." NO Fucking way will I allow the memory of friends to be disrespect with the construction of a building dedicated to the misogynistic, homophobic, and child raping false prophet Mohamed, to happen without expressing extreme displeasure in the most violent way permissible? Hopefully, in the meantime, the societal situation will have deteriorated to the point where wholesale retribution will be applauded.

[T-Rock]

So because they're Muslim, they must be commemorating "their victory" on 9/11? I'm sorry, I'm not following the logic.

The Cordoba House plans on opening Sept. 11, 2011.

The website soliciting donations for the "Masjid" is calling for the peace loving followers of Islam to raise the flag of "LA ILLAH ILLA ALLAH" adjacent to the World Trade Center where 2,605 fellow citizens perished at the hands of Muslims. I have yet to see any scholarly work that tells us doctrinally and historically how the beliefs, perversions and attitudes exhibited by the so called "magnificent 19" do not possess textual authority in the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira

Are you for Letting the call proclaiming the supremacy of Allah (Allahu Akbar) which the butchers of 911 shouted as they slit the throat of the cabin crews and hurled their terrified victims into an infernal doom be blasted five times a day above the place of their slaughter?

I'm not and I think it's in poor taste - but hey, that's just my personal opinion

[greenberetTFS]

My personal feelings about a fucking mosque at ground zero..." NO Fucking way will I allow the memory of friends to be disrespect with the construction of a building dedicated to the misogynistic, homophobic, and child raping false prophet Mohamed, to happen without expressing extreme displeasure in the most violent way permissible? Hopefully, in the meantime, the societal situation will have deteriorated to the point where wholesale retribution will be applauded.

I completely agree and couldn't have said it better myself...........

Big Teddy

[Richard]

...plans to create a larger Islamic culture center there that it hopes will send "the opposite statement to what happened on 9/11" and "push back against the extremists," according to Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the cleric in charge of the project and a leader at the Al Farah mosque at 245 West Broadway.

http://therealdeal.com/newyork/artic...-factory-space

And so it goes...

Richard

[TOMAHAWK9521]

I can't wait for a new mosque to go up in Shanksville, PA to help bring the diversity and enlightenment of Islam to that rural community.

[T-Rock]

Bigotry is a far bigger danger to America and its ideals than any terrorist attack will ever be.

Ain't that the truth:

w4.0 THE FINALITY OF THE PROPHET’S MESSAGE

(1) Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace) is the last prophet and messenger. Anyone claiming to be a prophet or messenger of Allah after him or to found a new religion is a fraud, misled and misleading.

(2) Previously revealed religions were valid in their own eras, as is attested to by many verses in the Holy Koran, but were abrogated by the universal message of Islam, as equally attested to by many verses of the Koran. Both points are worthy of attention from English-speaking Muslims, who are occasionally exposed to erroneous theories advanced by some teachers and Koran translators affirming these religions’ validity but denying or not mentioning their abrogation, or that it is unbelief (KUFR) to hold that the remnant cults now bearing the names of formerly valid religions, such as “Christianity” or “Judaism,” are acceptable to Allah Most High after He has sent the final messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace) to the entire world (dis: o8.7(20).

The penalty for Kufr = DEATH

c2.5 The unlawful (haram) is what the Law-giver strictly forbids. Someone who commits an unlawful act deserves punishment, while one who refrains from it out of obedience to the command of Allah is rewarded.

(3) and unbelief (Kufr), sins which put one beyond the pale of Islam (as discussed at o8.7) and necessitate stating the Testification of Faith (Shahada)…

f1.3 Someone (who knows Islamic Jurisprudence) or denies something…which there is scholarly consensus…is executed for his unbelief…

O4.17 There is no indemnity for killing a non-Muslim…

O8.3 If he is a freeman, no one besides the caliph or his representative may kill him. If someone else kills him, the killer is either disciplined (def17) (O: for arrogating the caliph’s prerogative and encroaching upon his rights, as this is one of his duties).

(A: though if there is no Caliph (def: o25), no permission is required.

O8.7 (7) to deny any verse of the Koran or anything which by scholarly consensus (def: b7) belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it;

(2) to intend to commit unbelief, even if in the future…

(3) to speak words that imply unbelief…

(14) to deny the obligatory character of something which by the consensus of Muslims (ijma’, def: b7) is part of Islam…

(19) To be sarcastic about any ruling of the Sacred Law;

(20) or to deny that Allah intended the Prophet’s message (Allah bless him and give him peace) to be the religion followed by the entire world (dis: w4.3-4) (al-Hadiyya al-Ala’iyya (y4), 423-24)

(Reliance of the Traveller - A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law)
http://www.amazon.com/Reliance-Trave.../dp/0915957728

[fng13]

Originally Posted by Penn

NO Fucking way will I allow the memory of friends to be disrespect with the construction of a building dedicated to the misogynistic, homophobic, and child raping.

So theres a new Catholic church going in New York?

Really it leaves a bad taste in my mouth thinking that there is a mosque going in right at Ground Zero. I completey understand why New Yorkers would be pissed off, especially those who lost friends there. I live right next to Shanksville, 15 miles away, and I would be pissed off if they were going to build a mosque there.

However, while I think that certainly Islam preaches violence, its important to remember 9/11 isn't supported by all muslims.

That said I think they are wrong for doing this, knowing that even if their intentions are good and sincere (I'm not saying they are), the mosque will be used as propoganda to recruit terrorists and further extremist ideals.

[The Reaper]

Where is the reciprocity?

Can we build a cathedral in Mecca or Medina?

How about we delay your building permit till we can?

TR

[Bordercop]

The link: http://biggovernment.com/pgeller/201...peace-charade/

A massive fifteen-story mosque and Islamic Center going up in what was once the shadow of the World Trade Center claims to offer “the opposite statement to what happened on 9/11.” The Center organizers, the America Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA), have worked hard in the media to portray themselves as Islamic moderates working for peace on the exact spot where their belligerent coreligionists perpetrated murder and mayhem in the name of their religion. But the words and deeds of the leader of the effort, the Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, suggests a more ominous reality: Abdul Rauf is a master of deceptive, Orwellian use of language, manifesting a deep contempt for non-Muslims and full accord with the supremacist goals of the 9/11 hijackers.

So anxious were they to secure the location at Ground Zero that a Muslim real estate company paid $4.85 million in cash for the building, with part coming from Abdul Rauf’s other Islamic group, the Cordoba Initiative. It is unnerving – the deliberate speed and anxiousness that the leader of the American Society for Muslim Advancement has demonstrated in working to open a mosque at the gaping wound of Ground Zero. He claims that it will heal that wound. But how will it do that? How will a mosque, the place where jihadis go for spiritual sustenance, at Ground Zero help stop jihad terrorism? Even the name of the initiative – Cordoba – speaks volumes. While Islamic Spain is held up today as a proto-multiculturalist paradise, in reality non-Muslims there suffered under the discrimination prescribed in Islamic law for dhimmis, non-believers who were subjugated as inferiors and denied equality of rights.

ASMA seems to have deliberately sought a connection to Ground Zero for their new mosque site. Muslims are already conducting daily prayers on the site, an old Burlington Coat Factory outlet where, according to Abdul Rauf, “a piece of the wreckage fell.”

The group purports to come in peace, although it declined to send a representative to discuss the initiative with one of us on Mike Huckabee’s show on Fox News Saturday. This was after one of us confronted Islamic apologist Michael Ghouse on Sean Hannity’s radio show on Friday, exposing the insensitivity and unsavory aspects of the 9/11 Mosque project. Abdul Rauf’s group gave this statement to Huckabee:

For over a decade, the Cordoba Initiative and American Society for Muslim Advancement have worked tirelessly to build bridges with other faiths, while condemning violence, extremism, and prejudice of any sort. Our mission is to be a beacon of hope, peace, understanding and harmony to those who join us in condemning hatred and violence of any kind. Too often the question arises of why moderate, peace-loving Muslims do not speak out. We cannot think of a more wonderful expression of our religion than the Cordoba House, where American Muslims stand together with our fellow citizens to condemn extremism and terror. It is a project to honor those who were harmed on September 11th. It is a project to proclaim our patriotism to this country and to stand side-by-side all men and women of peace.

How does building a giant mosque at Ground Zero address the problem of moderate Muslims not speaking out against terrorism? How does this mosque honor those who were “harmed” – i.e., brutally murdered — on September 11? Whom does a mosque at 9/11 really honor: the Americans who lost their lives, or the jihadis who murdered them?

It’s no wonder that many have greeted such words with skepticism, seeing the Ground Zero mosque as a demonstration of supremacism and triumphalism. Debra Burlingame of 9/11 Families for a Safe and Strong America, whose brother died in the Pentagon on 9/11, declared: “This is a place which is 600 feet from where almost 3,000 people were torn to pieces by Islamic extremists. I think that it is incredibly insensitive and audacious really for them to build a mosque, not only on that site, but to do it specifically so that they could be in proximity to where that atrocity happened.”

There is ample support for the idea that this Islamic Center is an insult to the victims of the 9/11 attacks. Throughout Islamic history, wherever they have conquered, Muslims have converted non-Muslim houses of worship into mosques and built mosques on the holy sites of other religions. The Dome of the Rock, built on the site of the Temple in Jerusalem, the Umayyad Mosque in Damascus built over the Church of St. John the Baptist, and the Aya Sofya mosque in Istanbul, formerly the grandest church in Christendom, are three notable examples among a great many. While at Ground Zero the mosque is not being built over the site of a synagogue or church, the same pattern of conquest and supremacism is in evidence: the World Trade Center site was a symbol of American economic power; the 9/11 Mosque is a symbol of the conquest of that power.

Abdul Rauf’s own statements, rather than allay such concerns, actually give credence to this view. He has blamed the West, rather than Islamic jihadists, for terrorism on several occasions. He has said, according to Australia’s Sun-Herald, that “the US and the West must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end.” He has also claimed that “Western active involvement in shaping the internal affairs of Islamic societies have contributed to the creation of terrorism done in the name of Islam.”

In other words, stop fighting back. Let the jihadis do as they please.

Abdul Rauf has also called Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams’ endorsement of the implementation of Sharia courts in Britain “forward thinking” – despite Sharia’s denial of basic freedoms including the freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and equality of rights of all people before the law. He has called upon Barack Obama to emphasize “the commonality of Western and Islamic values,” claiming that “if the United States lives up to the values in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and if Muslims can live up to the principles of Islamic law, then we will find we have fewer points of conflict and more common ground.” Then all will be well: “Muslims no longer will fear Western domination and the West no longer will fear Islamic expansion.”

Does Abdul Rauf really think that the devaluation of a woman’s testimony and the institutionalized discrimination against non-Muslims, both mandated by Sharia, are really compatible with the Bill of Rights? Does he really think that stoning people to death for adultery or amputating their hands for theft are compatible with the Eighth Amendment’s prohibition of cruel and unusual punishments?

Whatever he thinks of those elements of the Constitution, he doesn’t appear overly fond of the freedom of speech. Abdul Rauf has compared the West unfavorably to the Islamic world, since the West “protects the right to say anything, no matter how insensitive or scandalous,” while Islamic cultures “balance freedom of expression with respect for elders, traditions and modesty. The idea of respect and honor to elders is deeply ingrained in their psyches.” He has criticized the Swiss ban on minarets as a restriction on religious freedom, without saying a word about the severe restrictions on non-Muslim religious practice in Islamic states such as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, and Sudan.

In many of his public statements, Abdul Rauf is patently dishonest. After the Fort Hood jihad massacre, he claimed that the shootings were “against the laws of Islam” – a claim that looked ridiculous and deceitful after Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan’s writings came to light, explaining (with copious references to the Koran) the Islamic requirement to wage war against infidels. If Hasan was wrong and Abdul Rauf right about Islam, Abdul Rauf, as a leading American “moderate,” could have and should have seized the opportunity to explain exactly how, so as to allay the legitimate concerns of non-Muslims and emphasize to Muslims in America how and why they should be unreservedly patriotic Americans. He did not.

Abdul Rauf also has unsavory associations with pro-Sharia groups. Journalist Alyssa A. Lappen reports that “whenever Feisal first considered building a mosque across from Ground Zero, he had the idea firmly in mind by 2004, when he wrote What’s Right with Islam. The book was translated into many languages. In Indonesia’s Bahasa, its title translates as “The Call from the WTC Rubble.” Rauf promoted the book in December 2007 at a Kuala Lumpur gathering of Hizb ut Tahrir — an organization banned in Germany since 2003, and also outlawed in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Tunisia, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia, among other places — and ideologically akin to the MB. Both seek to replace the U.S. Constitution with Islamic law (sharia), and eventually impose Islam and sharia law worldwide.” The “MB” is the Muslim Brotherhood, an international Islamic organization from which come Al-Qaeda and Hamas. The Brotherhood is dedicated in its own words, according to a captured internal document, to “eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within.”

[Razor]

Originally Posted by fng13

However, while I think that certainly Islam preaches violence, its important to remember 9/11 isn't supported by all muslims.

And yet, according to the MSM, pundits, comedians and seemingly Joe on the Street, the Pope, cardinals, bishops and every Catholic priest (along with their co-conspirator parishes) bears scrutiny for being a pedophile.

[Penn]

To all the PM's

My reply to you is simply this: It took me almost ten years to go to the site and pay my respects.

A NYC memory from that time frame: Rag Head cab drivers beeping their horns and being extra jovial towards each other, while the city picked itself up…that day and for weeks after the attack.

My wife has three really close girl friends. One lost her entire wedding party that day. I mean, who comprises a wedding party, your very best sisters, friends etc…now all dead; is but one heart wrenching example.

I knew so many people that died that day, people I trained and had worked with, innocent people that dined in my restaurant, companies that we catered events for, or just the Joe who said hello on his way to work, the guy that doesn’t get to see his kid grow up…fuck these scumbags muslims. They will never assimilate to/in our culture. ..but you know that already?

Yet, you want me to be politically correct in response to a belief system that see’s no value in our openness, and in fact, actively engages with deadly force on a NOW current/regular/routine basis; while simultaneously seeking to smother and suppress any mention of their muslim belief/religion campaign. Especially, as it continues to destroy/subvert our freedoms to confront it.

There is no solution in appeasement, accommodation, or tolerance with muslim ideology. They must be confronted without compassion or mercy, as an entire culture.

The confrontation should be total and employ the same deadly indiscriminant force.

In my very limited and prejudice view, this seems the only way to coerce them into a reevaluation of their culture.

[fng13]

Originally Posted by Razor

And yet, according to the MSM, pundits, comedians and seemingly Joe on the Street, the Pope, cardinals, bishops and every Catholic priest (along with their co-conspirator parishes) bears scrutiny for being a pedophile.

Thats true. And I would think most muslims probably bear a lot of scrutiny for being a terrorist.