02-24-2010, 18:02
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Navy intends to let women serve on subs.........
USA Today in the Washington section, has an article on Defense Secretary Robert Gates notifying Congress in a letter signed Friday that the Navy intends to repeal the ban on female sailors on subs..........  In a related issue,the Army chief of staff,Gen. George Casey,told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Tuesday that "it's time" to reconsider women's combat roles in units which they were previously baned....  I wonder if this may effect SF?....... 
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02-24-2010, 19:21
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Sorry. This is my personal opinion and if I piss someone off then that's regrettable.
Big Teddy's right in suggesting that if this is approved for submarines then what about SF applications. It's the old goose/gander argument that PC advocates apply out of pure laziness.
IMO, the conditions for existence (not the "living conditions") in submarines, and I'd bet in any QP team (SF, SEAL, Recon, etc) is such that effectiveness will be reduced with women as team members. If the DoD wants to get all warm and fuzzy with PC perspectives then fine, let them field an all female crew for a suibmarine, let them compose a QP team purely with female members, and then measure overall effectiveness to achieve a mission over a period of time. If the effectiveness is acceptable then staff them that way. Otherwise, the PC boys and girls need to go back an take another hit from their bong.
Rant over.
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Reason: Edit Note: Typo corrected. Thx, PSM.
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02-24-2010, 21:26
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I predict allegations of sexual harassment, rape, discrimination, inability to perform the duties of the rating, and lots of pregnancies.
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02-24-2010, 22:50
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02-24-2010, 22:57
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Quote:
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I predict allegations of sexual harassment, rape, discrimination, inability to do the duties of the rating, and lots of pregnancies.
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It's called "Hot Bunking". 
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02-25-2010, 08:22
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02-25-2010, 08:24
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Would it be legal for the Navy to require the woman to be on Birth control while at sea?
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02-25-2010, 09:11
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I know my response is going to piss off some of you because it isn't PC. IMHO the sub issue is completely irrelevant to the QP issue. The sub issue is one of living conditions, not job related so to speak. I don't think anyone with a brain will say that because women serve on subs, therefore they should be allowed to be a QP/SEAL/PJ.
We have all discussed this before, women are made differently, and 99% of women are not going to be able to cut it doing what you all do. Somehow I don't think that applies to subs, in many cases.
With that point aside. Women do not get pregnant on their own. If you all have a problem living with women in an environment, such as a submarine, keep your pecker in your pants, and then you don't have to worry about it.  Last time I checked I woman can not physically impregnate herself. Is it going to happen, of course it probably will, but to lay the blame soley at the feet of women is just dumb. You all have as much to do with it as we do. If neither sex can act in a professional manner, than both sexes should be drawn and quartered. You act professionally, then there shouldn't be a problem.
I have lived with men in very close quarters. We all acted in a professional manner. Did I shower with them, of course not, but none of the guys on my team had a problem with me having the very limited shower facilities for a few minutes every day. Can't imagine that some kind of "out of the box" thinking will be used to integrate women onto subs.
In terms of sexual harrassment etc, this will be no different than any other unit. There will be cases of substantiated harrassment, and some of unsubstantiated cases. It will be dealt with like every other unit deals with it.
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02-25-2010, 09:21
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02-25-2010, 09:25
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Quote:
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Would it be legal for the Navy to require the woman to be on Birth control while at sea?
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Not a bad idea...... That would work,only problem is would they take them?.....  I think they would not consider doing it unless it was given as a direct order and I don't think you can give one like that.........
Big Teddy
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02-25-2010, 09:33
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S,
Not a bad idea...... That would work,only problem is would they take them?..... I think they would not consider doing it unless it was given as a direct order and I don't think you can give one like that.........
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Can't see why not. They give us orders all the time to take medications/shots/ etc... I don't see why this would be any different.
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02-25-2010, 10:47
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Why not make a 100% female sub crew? This would be a career making slot and would also be a good platform to demonstrate the killer instincts of the female of the species.
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02-25-2010, 11:06
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Quote:
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Why not make a 100% female sub crew? This would be a career making slot and would also be a good platform to demonstrate the killer instincts of the female of the species.
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An idea ahead of its time?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053143/
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02-25-2010, 11:15
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Quote:
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Why not make a 100% female sub crew? This would be a career making slot and would also be a good platform to demonstrate the killer instincts of the female of the species.
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The Navy considered that but figured there would be too many people yelling "slow down; turn port; why don't you stop to ask for directions?"
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02-25-2010, 13:08
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I'm just sayin...
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