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Old 02-04-2010, 23:28   #1
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Syndicated columnist Michael Barone, in an op-ed entitled “Easy on the Enemy,” wrote that, after President Obama’s outreach speeches to the Muslim world, “terrorists did not say, ‘Gosh, now that Obama is closing Guantanamo and terrorists are being given Miranda rights, I've got to change my mind and decide that the United States is a really nifty country and that freedom and democracy are good things after all.’”

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Easy on the enemy
By MICHAEL BARONE
February 1, 2010

Just whom are we trying to impress?

That's a question that occurred to me when, on his second full day in the presidency, Barack Obama announced we would close the Guantanamo detainee facility within one year.

It's a question that has kept occurring to me over the last year and nine days, even though Obama and his administration have proved unable to keep that promise.

Whom are we trying to impress by ruling out enhanced interrogation techniques on unlawful combatants, techniques that produced valuable intelligence that saved American lives? Whom are we trying to impress by limiting questioning to the Army Field Manual?

That's a good guide for handling prisoners of war and other lawful combatants covered by international law. But whom are we trying to impress by extending those protections to those who are not covered by the Geneva Conventions or other treaties we have signed?

Whom are we trying to impress by trying Khalid Sheik Mohammed in civilian courts after he already pled guilty to a military tribunal? And trying him in New York City, where the trial will cost something like $1 billion and tie up Lower Manhattan for years?

Would these people we are trying to impress be that much less impressed if the administration belatedly follows the advice of Mayor Bloomberg and Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein and stages that trial on a military base or elsewhere outside of New York City?

And whom are we trying to impress by treating the failed Christmas bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab not as a military combatant but as a common civilian criminal, even though he launched an attack on America from outside the country? Whom are we trying to impress by administering Miranda warnings and telling him that he has a right to a lawyer and the right to remain silent?

If the answer to these questions is that we are trying to impress Islamist terrorists, we've clearly failed.

It's a matter of simple fact that the announcement that we'd close Guantanamo and other policy changes didn't prevent Abdulhakim Muhammad from killing US soldiers at the Little Rock recruiting station last June. It didn't prevent Nidal Hasan from killing US soldiers at Fort Hood in November. It didn't prevent Abdulmutallab from attempting to blow up Northwest flight 253 over US or Canadian airspace on Christmas Day.

Public-opinion polls in the Arab and Muslim world have shown only slight upticks in opinion about America in the months after Obama's speeches in Cairo and Turkey and after these administration policy changes. Terrorists did not say, "Gosh, now that Obama is closing Guantanamo and terrorists are being given Miranda rights, I've got to change my mind and decide that the United States is a really nifty country and that freedom and democracy are good things after all."

But perhaps our goal was to convince not terrorists but "world opinion." Are the government and the billion people of India going to think better of America if we treat terrorists more gently? Not likely -- they're the targets of terrorists themselves.

How about the government and the billion people of China? My guess is that they see this as weakness, which they would never indulge.

The governments and peoples of Europe? Well, certainly some governments would be pleased, as would the readers of left-wing newspapers and those who attend international conferences. But polling shows that Europeans tend to take a tougher stand on these matters than the elites who dominate the international dialogue.

So whom are we trying to impress? The answer seems to be left-wing intellectuals, academics, voters -- "the educated class," in David Brooks' term -- who decried George W. Bush's policies as reeking of fascism and dictatorship. We are making policies to please those who hang out in law-school faculty lounges.

Their numbers turn out to be less formidable than the amount of coverage they have received in sympathetic media suggests. For that we have evidence from Massachusetts, where Republican Senate candidate Scott Brown called for handing over KSM and the Christmas bomber to military tribunals. His Democratic opponent Martha Coakley disagreed. She carried "the educated class," blacks and Hispanics. Brown carried just about everyone else and, even in Massachusetts, won.

Which leads me to ask, again: Just whom are we trying to impress?

Michael Barone is senior political analyst for The Washington Examiner.

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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...DyBN81ceMn8deI
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Old 02-05-2010, 02:05   #2
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I would agree with the thesis of this article.

President Obama is OF the educated, liberal class. It seems to me that he is a bit of an ideologue.

I had it out a little with my physics professor over this. He was of the belief that ALL people are entitled to the process due a person accused of a crime. I stated my opinion that terrorism is a political activity, and that political activities are a far cry from crime. I also said that political acts of violence constitute war, and that the people who commit such acts are legally guaranteed no rights whatsoever under any convention. They have no body politic, no sovereignty, and there is no way to wage war upon them other than to kill them, and obtain information from them in any effective way possible. Anything afterward was, in my opinion, basically a formality. He wasn't hearing it, and gave me the "slippery slope" argument.

When the conversation moved on to the actual process of getting them tried, he seemed to think that there was something wrong with the military tribunal system keeping them from going to trial. When I said it was liberal lawyers like Eric Holder, as well as the President himself, keeping it tied up in order to get the trial into civilian courts, he wouldn't hear that either.

He's the President's bread and butter. At least he was as mad about the deficit as I am.
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Old 02-14-2010, 07:15   #3
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When's the last time we had a decent President? Do people just not care who gets elected? He has not been in long and I feel like he is making a mess of things and what he promised to do has not done. Promised everyone money and economic change and save the world talk and it starts with AIG to him pardoning Al-Nashiri.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/05/...ing/index.html

The guy is counter productive to our Military, how are we allowing this?
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Old 02-14-2010, 08:21   #4
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WM Sir, Excellent article. Michael Barone seems to express in writing what many here in America are feeling...speak up America!!!

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Old 02-14-2010, 08:41   #5
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WM Sir, Excellent article. Michael Barone seems to express in writing what many here in America are feeling...speak up America!!!



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Bush was an ok President but he had alot of downfalls to, don't think we milked him for all we could have got.
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