01-24-2010, 06:04
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Fort Bragg battalion commander relieved of duty in Afghanistan
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01-24-2010, 07:25
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01-24-2010, 08:22
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I can speculate all day, but WTF?
Never a good thing, regardless of the LTC and CSM's disposition.
I guess a silver lining to this would be, that battalion will drive on. They have had some bad runs, but they keep doing their jobs well from what I've been told.
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01-24-2010, 09:00
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"An investigation found their "actions were of poor judgment which fostered a command climate that was not consistent with our Army values,"
The all inclusive "witch hunt" phrase. I prefer UCMJ type words or tactical descriptor.
BinCo is looking for a lawyer? Nah, he needs a publisher If the pattern is to hold. Sheesh.
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01-24-2010, 09:24
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2nd hand info (disclaimer)
From a couple of other boards both os these men were highly respected within and outside the command. Most comments expect this is about some BS EO or PC complaint.....
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01-24-2010, 11:18
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This was posted by a respondent to the article:
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My husband works with these guys. They didn't {sic} pretty shady things in meetings, unethical things...racially/sexually offensive things and were told to stop by lots of people higher in line but continued. Jenio thought he was untouchable, a golden child and thought he could do whatever he wanted and didn't have to answer to anyone. This has nothing to do with recent casualties, or the hardships of war. It's a guy with a big ego, who was put in his place, properly.
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One of the issues I don't miss in retirement...and so it goes...
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01-24-2010, 12:48
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Then dispense with the "Command Climate" horse crap and perfer charges.
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01-24-2010, 13:02
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Then dispense with the "Command Climate" horse crap and perfer charges.
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Concur. He made an enemy with the wrong person above him. And now has paid dearly for it. Relieved of command......
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01-24-2010, 13:10
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Let's all wait until we see what happened.
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01-24-2010, 15:21
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What?
Did somebody slip a tounge to somebody else's ear in a meeting or what?
Oh, wait, did I just say that? Scratch that, I , ah, I ,ah, I claim the 5th.......
It's an Infantry Battalion for cripiny out loud.
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01-24-2010, 20:09
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Politics, if you ask me....I have actually had to deal with this sort of garbage at a lower lever with a MSgt, who thinks he can be a jerk. Funny thing is, he doesn't realize who I have on MY side of the board. I keep quiet about his nonsense, but others are starting to notice his crap and are getting ready to pull the carpet out from under him. I think that some people let rank get to their heads. I won't pull any punches with anyone, what you see is what you get.
I hope that the tables are turning on those that will abuse their rank and positions and that the powers that be start putting more people in place that have some common sense and respect for everyone that works for them.
We have seen a spate of Commanders being relieved in the AF lately. I am certain that some of these folks needed to go. The bosses are sending a very clear message: if you know that your JO's and senior enlisted are not doing their jobs, replace them or be replaced.
Amen! 
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01-25-2010, 15:03
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Frank is a friend from way back. This surprises me. 'Wait and See' is probably the correct tactic here, but its tough to do.
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01-25-2010, 15:43
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My sources indicate a reply to ALL instead of a reply to sender with an email containing racial slurs with regard to some subordinate that was being ordered to his office for whatever...
and so it goes.
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01-26-2010, 08:39
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Told to me by my neighbor, a BDE CSM in the 82nd. My neighbor said it this is what was briefed to him directly from the 82nd CG.
Over the course of several months, the last slide during the daily BUB was supposed to be funny, but contained some racists and sexists comments. Noting extreme, but inappropriate for a Bn BUB.
A senior NCO in the S3 approached the Bn CSM about the BUB slides being inappropriate. The Bn CSM dismissed the idea of the slides being inappropriate.
The senior NCO from the S3 then sent the slides to either the division CSM or CG, I forget which. The Bn CO and CSM were then relieved.
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01-26-2010, 20:17
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My husband works with these guys. They didn't {sic} pretty shady things in meetings, unethical things...racially/sexually offensive things and were told to stop by lots of people higher in line but continued. Jenio thought he was untouchable, a golden child and thought he could do whatever he wanted and didn't have to answer to anyone. This has nothing to do with recent casualties, or the hardships of war. It's a guy with a big ego, who was put in his place, properly.
Sounds like they got the General Patton treatment. 
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