Anybody watch...

[Claemore]

The Revolutionary Holocaust, the Glenn Beck special? On Youtube, it is a five part series. Well done. I think that as usual Mr. Beck over dramatizes the issue, but brings up history that is overlooked in our school systems.

Originally Posted by Claemore

The Revolutionary Holocaust, the Glenn Beck special? On Youtube, it is a five part series. Well done. I think that as usual Mr. Beck over dramatizes the issue, but brings up history that is overlooked in our school systems.

Glenn is beyond my comfort level in being theatrical for a presentation. Non-the-less, I watch or record his show daily.

[Paslode]

I did, it was a re-cap of my High School World History class. I was disappointed that Beck didn't mention the Irish Potato Famine.

He is correct though in that most don't know enough about history, especially imo those born into the touchy feely, PC system.

Beck may be painting King O with too broad a stroke, but I think it is far to say that he is correct that if you accept, discount or embrace jovial chaps like Mao, Stalin, etc we are likely to travel that course.

[Goggles Pizano]

I watched it and agree it was nothing I have not studied before. Some additional information about Che was new for me, but I wish Beck would have spent more time juxtaposing historical fact with the liberal/progressive agenda. Also, spent too little time on Mao although he (Beck) did point out Administration officials lovefest with him.

[Warrior-Mentor]

PROMO LINKS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e_OFwtJMRY

http://www.youtube.com/user/GlennBec.../0/ro5LCv__gmg

Looking for a link to the actual video?

FULL VIDEO HERE:

PART 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ8PLwHK6eA

PART 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw7DtjO4V6c

PART 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XLKNUJzMQ

PART 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMPWIqHli00

PART 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzWLkzcnwp4

For those of you who think you knew all this stuff before, I congratulate you. Most of the "well educated" young people I talk with today are ignorant of these facts.

[Warrior-Mentor]

One of the narrators, Jonah Goldberg, is the author of "Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning"

Another one of the many books on my nightstand awaiting attention...

GET IT HERE:
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascis...4351022&sr=8-1

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by HowardCohodas

For those of you who think you knew all this stuff before, I congratulate you. Most of the "well educated" young people I talk with today are ignorant of these facts.

I can thank the scary Mr. Dawson, History teacher, hardcore communist hater and extremely knowledgeable about nuclear devices and there effects. The only book we read in class was On the Beach by Nevil Shute. The standard curriculum book he briefly opened, then he literally cast it to the side and he explained that they were watered down version of the facts. From that point everything he did was off the cuff so to speak.

So we pretty much sit in class and listened to him speak, read from other references and look at charts and info be brought back from the Titain II project. Test were about Communism and nuclear war.

Today he would probably be considered a fear mongering, right wing propagandist.

There was also the sometimes tearful Frau Franke, a tiny Jewish lady who taught more than the standard German Language class.

[Claemore]

Originally Posted by Paslode

I can thank the scary Mr. Dawson, History teacher, hardcore communist hater and extremely knowledgeable about nuclear devices and there effects. The only book we read in class was On the Beach by Nevil Shute. The standard curriculum book he briefly opened, then he literally cast it to the side and he explained that they were watered down version of the facts. From that point everything he did was off the cuff so to speak.

So we pretty much sit in class and listened to him speak, read from other references and look at charts and info be brought back from the Titain II project. Test were about Communism and nuclear war.

Today he would probably be considered a fear mongering, right wing propagandist.

There was also the sometimes tearful Frau Franke, a tiny Jewish lady who taught more than the standard German Language class.

You were lucky. Even in 80s Wyoming we were going down the Propaganda path. Not once did I get a history teacher who was either enthusiastic, or willing to dispense with said propaganda. I made my kids watch it, and while they were unwilling at first, they came around, even asking questions.

[Claemore]

Originally Posted by Warrior-Mentor

One of the narrators, Jonah Goldberg, is the author of "Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning"

Another one of the many books on my nightstand awaiting attention...

GET IT HERE:
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascis...4351022&sr=8-1

I just joined the group, Warrior Mentor, thanks for the link!

[Richard]

YGBSM - this piece of historically shallow and inaccurate, politicized 'tripe' does exactly the same thing as what Mr Beck claims to be countering - I don't know where he received his self-proclaimed 'education' but he would not have received a passing grade where I went to school - I want back the five minutes of my life wasted on watching as much of this 'pap' as I could stand.

Richard

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Richard

YGBSM - this piece of historically shallow and inaccurate, politicized 'tripe' does exactly the same thing as what Mr Beck claims to be countering - I don't know where he received his self-proclaimed 'education' but he would not have received a passing grade where I went to school - I want back the five minutes of my life wasted on watching as much of this 'pap' as I could stand.

Richard

I must admit the presentation was a bit rushed and only hit some high marks, but I don't believe you are arguing his facts into the killing in tens of millions these quaint chaps produced.

So please explain if you would Sir I would appreciate it.

[Richard]

So please explain if you would Sir I would appreciate it.

I only watched about the first five minutes and quit because I could see where it was heading as the narrative language sought to infer that:

• Progressive = 'left' = 'Democrat' = bad (remember that Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive - http://www.ehow.com/about_5133172_de...-politics.html)
• It is a negative to understand the context within which a Mao, Che, and Stalin might exist and to do so is to 'worship' them as 'icons of the left'
• Ronald Reagan - the icon of the modern conservative movement - was for a smaller federal government (yet he greatly expanded both the government and its power during his administration)
• Nazism was merely socialism ( a 'leftist' concept by inference) vice 'national' socialism (a much different animal although it entailed some aspects of most socialist movements as we understand them today)
• We are taught genocidal dictators only come from the political right (I wasn't) vice far or ultra right and left (I was taught the concept that the political spectrum was circular rather than linear and the extremes of either professed movement actually met on the back side of the circle, exhibiting nearly identical behaviors in spite of their labeling).

But, at that point of Mr Beck's (and Goldberg's) 'lesson' - I lost interest and closed the program.

Richard's $.02

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Richard

[LIST][*]Progressive = 'left' = 'Democrat' = bad (remember that Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive - .......

A progressive is a left wing moonbat fluttering around gasping at every lib straw they can find while wearing Che loves Me T-shirts.

They changed their name to the Kinder & Gentler "progressive" after a bunch of focus groups said "Lib" was a bad word.

It fools those not paying attention.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Richard

I only watched about the first five minutes and quit because I could see where it was heading as the narrative language sought to infer that:

• Progressive = 'left' = 'Democrat' = bad (remember that Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive - http://www.ehow.com/about_5133172_de...-politics.html)
• It is a negative to understand the context within which a Mao, Che, and Stalin might exist and to do so is to 'worship' them as 'icons of the left'
• Ronald Reagan - the icon of the modern conservative movement - was for a smaller federal government (yet he greatly expanded both the government and its power during his administration)
• Nazism was merely socialism ( a 'leftist' concept by inference) vice 'national' socialism (a much different animal although it entailed some aspects of most socialist movements as we understand them today)
• We are taught genocidal dictators only come from the political right (I wasn't) vice far or ultra right and left (I was taught the concept that the political spectrum was circular rather than linear and the extremes of either professed movement actually met on the back side of the circle, exhibiting nearly identical behaviors in spite of their labeling).

But, at that point of Mr Beck's (and Goldberg's) 'lesson' - I lost interest and closed the program.

Richard's $.02

Yeah TR was a progressive...which reminds of something I need to change.

And Yes the radicals from either side of the spectrum tend to met up on the backside as you say... Fred Phelps and Code Pink for example, that portion of the show I blew off because there are bad people across the spectrum.

I think you would agree you cannot do the subject justice in 30 to 60 minutes and Beck did himself a disservice trying to do do.

Regardless I agree with Beck that the deeds of Mao, Che, Castro and Stalin have been marginalized. Some wear them with pride on their T-Shirts and we accept it. Hell, King Zero had a Che poster up in one of his offices and the Mao ornament on the tree........seen any Hitler posters or ornaments lately? Nope, not even on Ebay! But you can find plenty items celebrating Che, Castro, Ho Chi Minh, Stalin and Lenin which puzzle me because Hitler is no worse than the rest of them. I found a Robert Byrd T-Shirt but none of David Duke.

That is messed up IMO, you shouldn't find any of them!

I believe King O has put quite a few people in places of power that admire Mao, Che and Stalin, and that would have no issue modeling the US in their likeness....I tend to believe it is their dream.

Beck's point, if you marginalize these evil people you put yourself at risk. It is no different than marginalizing the corner crack dealer to your kids.