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Old 07-24-2004, 11:50   #1
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JKD and TR

I thought a threadjack would be impropriate, so here it goes:

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I like Jeet Kune Do for that, or Gutterfighting.

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Do you fight vanilla Lee Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do or combine it with Gutterfighting or something else? How long have you been training? Do you see any specific advantages or disadvantages?

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Old 07-24-2004, 11:54   #2
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Old 07-24-2004, 11:55   #3
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Did I miss something? I used to train JKD, so the statement got me interested.
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Old 07-24-2004, 12:00   #4
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Did I miss something? I used to train JKD, so the statement got me interested.
No, not really. Just be careful about poking The Reaper with a stick (asking a lot of rapid fire questions). He's been in a bad mood for about 20 years, ever since the Army broke up ODA 754.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.

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Old 07-24-2004, 12:10   #5
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No, not really. Just be careful about poking The Reaper with a stick (asking a lot of rapid fire questions). He's been in a bad mood for about 20 years, ever since the Army broke up ODA 754.
Roger. Won't edit though, since I wrote it and pressed the post button I better stand by what was written.

With that said, I should, and therefore will, keep quiete again.

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Old 07-24-2004, 12:24   #6
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Martin:

I am not a ardent follower of any specific art.

I will borrow and steal techniques from any school that I find useful for me.

I found that JKD was one of the first schools to break out of the rigid kata and repetition belt mills.

The techniques that I prefer have practical application, not artistic beauty.

This seems to me to be the core of the Gutterfighting schools and Kill or Be Killed techniques. I like that and the ability to grab whatever is at hand to use for a weapon, in addition to whatever I brought with me.

NDD knows Kelly, and I have spent some time hanging with one of his associates. I thought the techniques were devastating and in keeping with an offensive warrior mind set.

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Old 07-24-2004, 14:04   #7
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Thank you!

I'm of the same opinion, but mainly mixing Jeet Kune Do and Tsu Shin Gen.

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Old 07-24-2004, 14:21   #8
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A combo of Hashish and JD can work.

Seriously all disciplines will be effective. When the time comes, the automatic response is what will work regardless, unless you can ask your opponent to take a break while you turn the page.

There is a reason I say discipline. It is just that and practice, practice, practice. Regardless of the art/style the better man will genedrally win.

Has anyone ever noticed that in the extrerme fighting competitions, most is a mixture of boxing and mandatory kicks?
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Old 07-26-2004, 08:22   #9
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Thumbs up Not a badass or the next angry little guy!

Not a badass or the next angry little guy!

I would have to agree with TR. I've never been a big fan of any particular art. Mainly because I never want to limit myself, and the fact that I'm only 5f 6i I've modified everything I have been taught to give my size the ultimate advantage. Many years I've studied many arts, but what I have come to realize is that each situation is unique, which also calls for quick adaptation, hence the advantage of learning more arts. They way I see it, learning more arts is like having tools in a tool box. You may not need it, but if you do its there.

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Old 07-26-2004, 08:32   #10
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Better to have one well trained effective technique than a dozen you cannot execute properly.

Think the scenario out in advance, select a technique, practice it, master it against a live opponent before putting it on your shelf to rehearse from time to time. You will fight as you train.

If an engagement occurs, use your SA to let it be only when you choose to, and on your terms. Otherwise, leave/walk/run/extend.

Examine your enemy COAs, get inside his OODA loop, initiate and execute the technique you have chosen, maintain the SA and the initiative (but have alternates, like a chess match), and YOU decide when it is over.

Just a few random Monday morning thoughts.

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Old 07-26-2004, 10:11   #11
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I am normally against editing and deleting posts, because I try to do it right the first time around and accept responsibility for my actions.

In this case I believe that this and my following post just bloats your forum and will therefore remove them. (this is left for this statement and record that I demand from myself to do better)

I'm sorry for the inconvenience and will now continue to lurk in the shadows.

Thanks for your professional attitude.

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Old 07-26-2004, 11:13   #12
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Thumbs up Very good points

Martin,

Good point.

TR,

Outstanding philosphy.


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Old 07-26-2004, 12:16   #13
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I have studied martial arts for over forty years -- off and on. Mainly I studied Judo and TKD. Judo is not really a combative but a sport. Anyway, to me the martial arts are just that "arts". I learned self-discipline, strength, flexibiolity, respect, inward evaluation. etc. At one time I trained five nights a week and competed on weekends. I enjoyed the fighting more than the forms but always learned that the best means of self-defense is knowing how to avoid trouble in the first place.

When it comes to unavoidable fighting, automatic reflex and response is what will win for you. The particular art is not important. An expert in one style will beat someone less expert in another or his own style and vice versa.

I have seen dozens go through their keeayes, and stances, only to end up on their ass from a good old fashioned right vross.

I was at Drive-in movie on Bragg Buvd (showing my age) and my son and Mel Wick's son were both about three years old. Mel's wife was vietnamese. Our two boys were horsing around and Bon, my son went through his ferocious acts and stances and yells, and Butch looked at him and just popped him in the nose. All I could do was laugh.

Just my $.02.
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Old 07-26-2004, 12:57   #14
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Please delete this post, it was utterly useless.

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Old 07-26-2004, 13:04   #15
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Practice, practice, practice. Self defense is all about muscle memory. Regardless of your style if you have to think about what you're going to do then you've lost the battle.

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